From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #311 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 29 June 2000 Vol 07 : Num 311 In this issue: eskrima: NHB fights at Soboba eskrima: mid may gun thread eskrima: silat digest eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:16:30 -0700 Subject: eskrima: NHB fights at Soboba A Howl of Greeting to All: This past Saturday I attended the "Bas Rutten's King of the Cage" NHB fights at the Soboba Indian Reservation. Lester "Surf Dog" Griffin, as is the case when none of his students are fighting, was one of the judges again and scored me a ringside seat and an all access pass. The event was much more organized that the Mark Hall Cobra Productions event at the remote Coahuilla Reservation about which I wrote several months back. The Cage and the seats were separated from the Casino and its alcohol and there was a semblance of security. A sell out crowd of 4,500 was on hand. Various NHB luminaries such as Frank and Ken Shamrock were there (no, they weren't hanging out together) to support their respective fighters, as were various others. This event has signed a deal with the big bucks "Pride" event in Japan, and fighters who do well here can hope to land some big fights in Japan. As best I could tell the rules were no headbutts, and no strikes with the point of the elbow. As I wandered around the fighters' warm-up area I was very impressed at just how far NHB fighting has come. Virtually everyone cross trains and even excluding the matter of hormonal supplements, the level of fitness is quite high. One of the fighters named Dan Rizzuto recognized me and came up and introduced himself-a student of Ron Balicki from western Canada he looked entirely too innocent to be a NHB fighter, let alone one of the main event fighters. He showed a calm, seasoned well rounded game is his victory. During the many fights of the evening I saw many of the fighters showing strong progress in the understanding of structural integration: Strikes integrated with motions to prevent the opponent from crashing; strikes integrated with motions to crash; muay thai as part of the standing grapple game; strikes flowing seamlessly when the range opens; the awareness of the matrix and dynamics of fighting on the ground. Perhaps the one who impressed me most was a fighter trained by Frank Shamrock whose name eludes me. Of course, many of the fights were interesting more as a matter of match up of physical types. One heavyweight fight pitted a 211lb 5'9" Muay Thai fighter (at this height 211 is really thick) against a taller grappling oriented fighter of similar weight. Although not the most technical of fights, I really like the way the MT fighter made it hard for his grappling oriented opponent to close. (After the fights were over I ran into him and he related that he had several years of wrestling in school). He also had one spectacular flying elbow entry that had the crowd on its feet. Two shins kicks to the head during the course of the fight seriously staggered his most game opponent and the fight went the distance. I had seen the training of one of the fighters elsewhere and, despite his considerable strength, had serious doubts about his readiness to deal with strikes. And sure enough, under the pressure of doing his first fight in front of 4,500 people against a man who did now how to strike, he fought very straight up and got TKO'd in fairly short order. Another fighter of a noted BJJ teacher was impressing the crowd with blazing combinations as his name was announced and as the bell rang he dashed forward to the edge of his opponent's bubble and took what looked to me like a BJJ tournament type of stance. Someone twitched and he took a right down the pike and was KO'd like a falling tree in a record setting 7 seconds. I was talking with Ron Balicki last night and he made the penetrating observation that fighters today are taking more and more of what looks like a "John L. Sullivan" kind of a stance with the front hand often serving as much as a feeler as a striking tool. To my eye as I watched the fights, I was struck by just how generic much of the fighting has become. The current mongrelization of kickboxing, wrestling, and BJJ is great, but I really think that a savy well trained fighter could do very well by an intelligent application of kali in addition to the other skills. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: kimbel@debitel.net Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: mid may gun thread Hi, I've just been through some back issues and I am really late on this. But I need to correct some bias, even though I don't intend to reopen the thread (what I obviously am doing. I'm from Germany, and all posts from germans were anti gun. I need to set things straight. Not all germans are of the obedient type who are happy with their gun laws and glad to be allowed to obey them. Just two days ago many people in Hamburg had the "fun" of watching a pitbull jump a fence into a schoolyard playground and start attacking small kids. Hamburg is one of our largest cities. One teacher phoned the cops. Other teachers, kids and pedestrians watched the pitbull munching on a 6 year old. Two or three tried to intervene but were also injured by the dog. Obviuosly, none of Hamburgs 25 citizens who have a carry permit were around, so everybody waited for the police to come and shoot the dog. By then, the 6 year old boy was dead. Now we have moms marching against dogs. And psychologists trying to convince kids that there was nothing else to do than watch. What our german posters also seem to ignore is that gun ownership was fully legal in Germany (except Berlin) from sometime in the 1950's (the end of aliied law) till 1972. I cannot remember neighborhood shootouts being common back then. The gun laws were instated 1972 as a 'reaction' to the Baader Meinhoff terrorists, people who had the intention of overthrowing goverment by gun laws. At those times, our government was still full of former lower rank Nazi's now further up in power. They were of course scared to shit of the terrorist's approach to politics, so we 'needed' a gun law. Of course the terrorist were very impressed. Gun laws have always been a question of political power, not crime, in Germany. In the east as in the west. I live in Berlin, Germany. I can still show you the blood stains from a shootout between Turks and Jugoslaws in the hallway of the building I live in. I missed the 'fun' by 5 minutes, still to see the injured lying around. I see fresh bullet holes in the windows of shops in the neighborhood about once a month. A kindergarden nearby was closed a year ago because the windows were being shot through frequently. I hear shots quite often, though I can't say how many of them are from legaly owned starter and teargas guns. But the blood and the holes are for real. So far for our peaceful country with it's wonderful gun laws ... I's also like to know where my fellow germans got those only 500 fatal shootings in Europe from. Just a hint, Jugoslawia is part of Europe. Or for those who manage to read before they write, try looking at http://www.bka.de/pks/pks1999/index2.html which tells us we germans had 381 "Straftaten gegen das Leben" committed by shooting in 99, which includes murder and manslaughter, but does NOT include accidental shootings. I gues the rest of Europe must be a cozy place ... Sorry for beating an old horse, reopening a thread, standing on the soapbox, clogging your mail server, bloating the digest,... But I had to get this straight. Rudolf. "I don't need the government to give me equal rights. All I need is for it to stop trying to take them away. Meghan Gardner" ------------------------------ From: "IESA" Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:31:48 -0800 Subject: eskrima: silat digest Dear Members, Is there a silat digest out there? If so, please let me know offline. Thanks, Bob IESA p.s. Thanks for your feedback on that idea I posted a little while back. I've gotten a few favorable responses from the East Coast. It's just now a question of logisitics. If anyone else is interested in helping or coming in, please e-mail me. 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