From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #324 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 8 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 324 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #323 eskrima: re: treatment of rattan eskrima: Thai-Burma Tapes/Knife fighting chance eskrima: new list announcement eskrima: RE: Knife Training eskrima: Potpourri (sp) eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #323 eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #323 eskrima: Metal sticks eskrima: short sigs ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "q" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:43:42 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #323 > I donīt think that you have any chance to survive this conflict. > > Although I often see many knife-defence-drills in Kali or silat videos I > have great doubts about the realistic aspects of them Remember Drills are not fighting. They are not even a substitute for fighting. They are a piece of combat taken out of context to improve one type of skill. Are they important... yes! Are they useless...yes! (remember I defended the footdrills as important as hard contact sparring many digests ago?) You see it is all about "context". Regards, Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: "Anderson" Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:05:39 +1000 Subject: eskrima: re: treatment of rattan During one of my trips to the Philippines, my arnis instructor said that wiping the rattan in Kerosene and then wiping it down with water will add to the strength of the rattan... What we did was to do the above and then let the rattan airdry in the sun for about 3 days... never had any problems with breakage and/or splintering. Bill Maharlika Kuntaw Guam ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Thai-Burma Tapes/Knife fighting chance >>Where can I get the videos of Thailand vs Burma? Are there any >>decent web resources? >>Jon. Jon, E-mail me personally, I'll ask the guy that lent me the tape where his friend got it from. >>From: MUSASHISAN@gmx.de >>when I saw Animals "Knife fighting 1 and 2" and "How to survive edged >>weapons" I really began to ask me if there is any chance in a fight >>against a well-trained knifefighter. Everyone will say yes. Then everyone else will say no. So, it depends on you. You probably will, unless you ,,<<""spar"">>,,. That's just my opinion, though. Take a training partner that you TRUST, and stay out in long range, throw a little bit of movement and circle each other, throwing a little jab in here and there(try NOT to hit each other). Now imagine that your friend is a crazed lunatic that wants your "whatever". How close do you want to get to that guy? How close do you think that you can? Once you "know" the answer, buy some padded knifes and aluminum knifes. Feel the difference of sparring with the two, and choose your path from there. Don't be discouraged if the techniques don't show up right away, they will probably take a while to actually show up in real time against an unwilling opponent, depending on how you train. Best of luck. >>Although I often see many knife-defence-drills in Kali or silat >>videos I have great doubts about the realistic aspects of them.... >>Is there really a chance? Only you can answer that question. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Powrscrol@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:29:59 EDT Subject: eskrima: new list announcement A Cyberdojo friend has just started a new list, and has asked me to pass on the info. It is open to Christian martial artists of all systems & styles. URL: http://www.egroups.com/group/ChristianDojo ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 01:36:49 -0400 Subject: eskrima: RE: Knife Training << Hi folks... when I saw Animals "Knife fighting 1 and 2" and "How to survive edged weapons" I really began to ask me if there is any chance in a fight against a well-trained knifefighter. In many schools they train a lot of different techniques against weapon-attacks. But when an expert like Guru Inay or gaje handles this deadly weapon I donīt think that you have any chance to survive this conflict. Although I often see many knife-defence-drills in Kali or silat videos I have great doubts about the realistic aspects of them.... Is there really a chance? >> You're absolutely right. However, there are a couple of things to consider. The chances of fightinga a well trained fighter (much less someone well trained with a knife) are pretty slim. If you do run into one then you don't have much chance (you'd best hope for an incredibly lucky day). Is the training applicable? I think so ... but nothing about fighting (much less where blades are involved) is guaranteed. As martial arts, our training might give us a bit of an edge (our reflexes are usually a little better, our awareness a little keener, and we do have a few more tools to work with than the average Joe) ... but that's all it does. It's not a guarantee, but it's certainly better than nothing. On the flip side of that statement, though, is this one. I would rather have no training than have poor training (particularly with a knife). With no training, I might at least get lucky and do the right thing. With poor training, the bad habits are likely to be ingrained and when I try them, I'll get wasted. Now the issue becomes one of finding good training ... but that's a whole different discussion. Regards, Mike - -- Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong. -- Dandemis _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:35:23 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Potpourri (sp) "Pretend that you like their football team - should be Arsenal in that area but check with others(that was hard to say coming from a chelsea boy!)." Surely pretending to be an Arsenal fan is an act of last resort to be attempted only when all else fails(akin to eating airline food and other similarly desperate acts)... And now more seriously: Q1: What does soaking hardwood with linseed oil do? Does it make it harder and more brittle? Or does it make it tougher and less likely to break? What happens to the surface? Is it more difficult to keep a good grip on? Q2: Re-Muy Thai shin conditioning: How is this achieved in terms of actual bodily changes? Does one grow a thicker skin over the shin? Are there changes in the bone? Or does one just kill off the nerve endings? Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 04:35:48 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #323 << Although I often see many knife-defence-drills in Kali or silat videos I have great doubts about the realistic aspects of them.... Is there really a chance? >> depends on how good you are vs. how good they are -- there are many stories of empty handed escrimadors being attacked by blade carring thugs. the escrimadors come out on top- steve ------------------------------ From: ptbernd@gmx.de Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:52:45 +0200 Subject: eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #323 Holger wrote: > In many schools they train a lot of different techniques against > weapon-attacks. But when an expert like Guru Inay or gaje handles > this deadly weapon > I donīt think that you have any chance to survive this conflict. > Totally agreed!!!! I have tried it out a few times. I took a friend - almost beginner - and sparred with him/her. After a few minutes he/she got the idea and without a knife I almost had no more chance against. I think one have to be very tricky to survive a knife attack without a weapon -> therefore: Always take a weapon with you ;-) BTW, I am sure - I know that Grandtuhon always carries weapons. Bernd Giller, Germany ptbernd@gmx.de ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan" Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:06:34 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Metal sticks Would I be able to use metal sticks in my training instead of my fired hardenned things? I've just bought a crowbar from the place I'm working at and was wondering if any of you think I should take it along to class?? Jon. P.S. I know I've just asked about class locations, but that's because I'm home for the holidays. FOR THE ULTIMATE IN SELF DEFENSE, http://www.jonoldo.co.uk REQUIRES NO FITNESS, TRADITION OR DEDICATION. DO YOU GO TO CHURCH ONCE A WEEK? IF NOT GO TO http://www.boredstudent.com FOR YOUR QUICK AND EASY WEEKLY SPIRITUAL FULFILLMENT! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 7:10:25 PDT Subject: eskrima: short sigs Folks, please remember to keep those sigs (signature files) short. A max of 5 or 6 lines. Thanks. My 2 line sig follows. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #324 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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