From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #331 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 11 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 331 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #330 eskrima: AMAA Summer Camp eskrima: Re:Majestic Terms eskrima: integration of what is already there eskrima: FCSH T-shirts eskrima: Kerambit eskrima: Shin Conditioning eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Casto Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:10:29 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #330 > From: Ray Terry > Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:59:14 PDT > Subject: Re: eskrima: Learning Channel special on Martial Arts > > > In terms of GM Cacoy, he is a second degree in Judo and if you've ever > > worked with him, alot of that shows in his Eskrido... > > I thought he told me he was a 3rd in Judo. ?? I know that he said that > if Eskrima wasn't 'in the family' that Judo probably would have been his > primary art. I attended a seminar with him a couple of weeks ago and this was one of the errors he pointed out in his biography. He said he wants to have the biography reprinted because it says he's a 2nd Dan in Kodokan Judo and a 1st in Aikido when in reality he's a 2nd in Aikido and a 3rd in Kodokan (I'm pretty sure that's what he said anyway). Regards, Mike > > > > BTW.. I'll be hosting him at my school in Livingston NJ.. anyone interested > > please email me for details.. (eskrima@hotmail.com) > > When is that? > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com - -- Knowledge is a process of piling up facts; wisdom lies in their simplification. -- Martin H. Fischer ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:40:50 EDT Subject: eskrima: AMAA Summer Camp I attended the American Modern Arnis Associates' summer camp on Sunday. For those of you all that couldn't make it, you missed out on some good training. For the first half we went through empty hand defenses against single punches then multiple punches. The elbow was used in conjunction with passing the punches for destructions and creating openings for further damage to the opponents body and face. Then Sifu/Guro Bolden added on to those techniques by adding some really interesting throws & takedowns. We did a bunch of passing drills, and also a good drill that increases hand-eye coordination and body positioning by trapping an incoming punch and countering with a punch of your own. Sifu/Guro Bolden, Sifu Pete Vargas, and all the AMAA students/members were all very helpful in showing & teaching us the techniques. Thanks! The second half was Kuntao Silat taught by Sifu/Guru Dan Donzella. It was done outdoors which was a nice change. Training outdoors on grass has a different feel from training on the normal wood floors that I'm used to. One thing for certain is that breakfalls are much softer on grass! We mainly did ground fighting techniques. He taught us to avoid incoming empty hand strikes, soften up the attacker, then take them to the ground where it would be hard for a person used to "stand up" fighting to defend from the Silat attacks. The final move on each technique was a powerful strike(s) to the head using either the knees or the forearm. If armed with a kris(keris) or another bladed weapon, then the final moves would be thrusts or slashes to vital portions of the body. Guru Donzella then finished up his portion with two forms, one Chinese and the other Indonesian. I found out that on Saturday they went through a lot of stick drills, etc. I just knew I was going to miss something by attending only one day. The next camp I'm going to try to attend the camp on both days. Kelvin Williams ------------------------------ From: William Upton-Knittle Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:50:01 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re:Majestic Terms At 10:01 PM 7/10/00 -0400, you wrote: >Maha Guro is a Malay word originated from Hindu. It literally means >Mightiest or Highest Teacher. > >In Philipine, Indonesia or Malaysia, the title is usually reserved for >the founder of a style. In most cases posthumously. To show our respect, >we might occasionally address our head of style as Maha Guro but few >will publicly declared themselves as Maha >Guro. This is partly due to our culture of humility and partly because >it could be hazardous to their health if their skill does not match >their title. > >Sincerely, >S. H. Wee >Sarawak, Malaysia. Excellent description, Mr. Wee....I never saw these terms used until the past 15 or 20 years....all of a sudden they pop up all over the place in FMA circles. How far back have you seen them in use? b ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: integration of what is already there >>Finally, if one of the key components of FMA is capability to go from >>one weapon to another, using the same fundamental techniques, just >>modifying it per the weapon at hand, & when you introduce techniques >>that don't exactly fit in (i.e. not FMA) as your empty handed >>techniques, you dilute this unique component of FMA. But what about having "no way as way". Let's get this clear, first. Basically, I agree in the last part of what you said-not diluting the component, etc. I believe that the Philippine Fighting Arts were built and taught in a way that says-no way as way. Based off of principles of deflect-hold-strike, and stick work, etc., etc. If I decide to do a ridge-hand, which is not a primary FMA technique, does it make what I do less "filipino"? There are certain "truths" that are held between all arts in combat. I believe that that is the explanation of FMA. Sometimes seeing another style and "capturing the essence" will give your mind an idea of how to integrate somthing. An example would be of mixing Krabi Krabong with Kali. Some would look at this as a diluting of Kali. Now what of a Kali man that decides that he would like to kick his opponent during his fight? Without ever seeing Krabi Krabong, he develops his kicks with the use of his weapons. Then he sees Krabi Krabong, and now decides that he saw somthing that he liked, and decides to use it. Some times also it is good to look at similarities between "arts". We can transfer what we do with the weapons to what we do with our empty hands. Can we also transfer what we do with our empty hands to what we do with our weapons? Look at the ways Wing Chun's pak sao=outside deflections(with and without weapons), or lap sao=trap and pull with the punyo, or the bong sao can be done to flow around the weapon. BTW, there is also a very nice way to do the bong sao with the Filipino flavor to it that I'll post on the site later this week. Like I said, basically I agree with what you said, yet for the sake of keeping our minds alive the post wasn't directed to you, more so to those that seem to be or wanting to be integrating things that are already there. Just some of my thoughts that ran through my head. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: FCSH T-shirts FYI-All the FCSH T-shirts were sent out today. You should be getting them within two to three days. Please send me a receipt confirmation to chad@fullcontacthi.com so I don't have to worry about e-mailing everyone this and that. Does anyone have any info of a tournament supposed to be happening in Hawaii in August (not the Solo Baston by Del Mar in September). Not sure if it's Filipino or Kenpo. Thanks, ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan Broster" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:38:58 GMT Subject: eskrima: Kerambit Hi A few years ago I had a really nice (dull) kerambit that I used for training and an identical live blade one. Both of these and a kris were burgled from and I have been looking for a replacement ever since. Last weekend I found a really nice one in a shop in Keswick (North England). It comes from CRKT and comes in either plane or serrated blade for £34.00. (I am now busy copying it onto a piece of aluminium for training) Check out their web site at: http://www.crkt.com They have some very nice knives Mabuhay Jon ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 11 Jul 00 07:37:47 CDT Subject: eskrima: Shin Conditioning In Tian Shan Pai Kung Fu we used to do a shin conditioning drill in addition to forearm conditioning drills. The method: Training partners A & B face each other in "ready" posture. Let's start with left foot forward ... A steps forward and swings the shin of his rear leg toward the lower leg of B (a low leg kick like Muay Thai). B steps back and swings his right (now lead) leg into the path of A's oncoming right leg. The shins "clang" and the walk proceeds across the floor. Having reached the other side of the room, they walk back, A now moving forward, B moving backward. Continue as long as you like :-) This was followed by application of Jow, "stripping" any bruised areas to speed healing. The Jow was applied to bruised areas with VERY heavy pressure. From the school of hard knocks. I don't know any fancy names for the drill, it's just what we had to do. Practicing over time, one varies the point(s) of shin contact, especially after taking a ding that really smarts. Anyone who has clanged shins in fighting knows that something like this is a necessity because it's bound to happen sometime ... might even catch a stick with your shin sometime. It can really take the fight out of some ... make ya feel sick, so, best to do something about it. There used to be a tool on the market for this purpose. It was a broad flat tool made from a number of flexible metal rods. IMHO, the broad tool is better than a stick or something round like a stick or bottle. There is less focussed impact against the bone which allows for lengthier and more frequent conditioning with less chance of damage. Perhaps the application of such a tool would be a good supplement for drills like the simple one explained above or whatever active conditioning methods we might try. Be well, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 6:11:23 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #331 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.