From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #333 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 11 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 333 In this issue: eskrima: Seeking Resources eskrima: common thread Re: eskrima: Seeking Resources eskrima: re: Animals knife fighting eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #327 eskrima: Re: Integration of what is already there eskrima: GM Cacoy Seminar in NJ eskrima: Re: Lamenco eskrima: shorter sigs, revisited eskrima: Chicago Training eskrima: Mahaguru eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Fowler Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:08:33 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Seeking Resources Hi All, I am new to the FMA and would like to find anything useful to complement my training. Is there a consensus of the top 5 - 10 videos and/or books on FMA that would help some one starting out. What about locations for supplies, sticks, etc. Are there any recommended clubs, stores, etc. in the Central or So. Cal area? I apologize if there is a FAQ, but I haven't found it yet. Thanks in advance. Regards, Paul Fowler ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:18:37 -0700 Subject: eskrima: common thread Chad wrote: > >But what about having "no way as way". Let's get this clear, first. > >Basically, I agree in the last part of what you said-not diluting the > >component, etc. I believe that the Philippine Fighting Arts were built > >and taught in a way that says-no way as way. Based off of principles > >of deflect-hold-strike, and stick work, etc., etc. If I decide to do a > >ridge-hand, which is not a primary FMA technique, does it make what I > >do less "filipino"? There are certain "truths" that are held between > >all arts in combat. I believe that that is the explanation of FMA. > >Sometimes seeing another style and "capturing the essence" will give > >your mind an idea of how to integrate somthing. Doc F replied > Well Chad I agree with you and I disagree. It takes along time before a > student can learn to draw his own conclusions and use what works and > integrate. Few arts teach integretion...in fact if you integreate it is not > an "art" anymore even if you call it FMA. That becomes science. No FMA > teacher I ever had who was a "particular system" like largo mano etc.. ever > broke the systems down and flowed between systems. Most practiioneers of > say Largo stay largo and force the range trying to keep an opponant in his > range. It is only of late that the blending on mass scale has occurred > where an individual will start largo flow to medio and finish in corto or > the situation so demands. Individual practiioneers have gotten smarter. > Just look at UFC 1 and the lastest UFC...everyone has had grappling training > and the lines are blurring more between all the fighting arts in this > country. Arts evolve. Even Gracie JJ who use to teach in a strict > progression has openned the door to out of prof\gression technique to stay > competative with other schools. I add: In JKDC theory there is the concept of "the common thread"-- one is free to choose from different styles, but there should be common thread amongst the choices. In DBMA, which is JKDC based, we find common thread amongst the various Majapahit styles-- (e.g. KK, Silat can connect logically and efficiently with our FMA base and core). What presents a theological problem to calling ourselves FMA is the BJJ influence. I suppose the term "impure FMA" could be used. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:06:25 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Seeking Resources > > I apologize if there is a FAQ, but I haven't found it yet. > Check the header of any issue of this digest... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:52:33 EDT Subject: eskrima: re: Animals knife fighting MUSASHISAN@gmx.de asked: << My question to you: Isnīt the knife hand not always faster than body movement? Is there really a chance to move your body when a lightning fast knife fighter tries to grab, cut and stab you? >> Yes no and maybe... answer this simple question. Other than getting laid, what force is pressing on you every day of your life? The answer is gravity. However if you realize that we have been pushing against gravity for so long that we forget that it even exists you will begin to understand why most people's body's are slower than hands. If you try to move your mass through muscle, yes you will be. If however you suddenly quit fighting gravity, you move as fast as your muscle can relax. However, most people will insist on throwing themselves to the side via muscle. Which is kind of like throwing out a free steak and lobster dinner for a Kraft macaroni and cheese dinner that you not only have to make yourself, but that you paid $20 for. There is all sorts of unconscious body movements that people make - even trained martial artists. Movements that will get them carved. Strip those away and you'll be amazed at how fast your body can move when you let gravity do the work for you. >Is there any alternative between running and killing the attacker? Busting a chair across his teeth has always been a personal favorite of mine :D >Greetinx from ugly cologne... Then I hope to see you in Oct. when I'm there. ------------------------------ From: "NAGA-RAJAH, \"The Serpent-King\"" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:35 -1000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #327 Everyone remember . . . That linseed oil is very combustive. A special was shown on 20/20 on how soaked linseed oil rags, if left in an area where there is little ventilation, build up enough heat to combust on its own, without any forms of external ignition. In other words, don't leave rags or anything soaked with linseed oil together where there is no air. You don't want a potential fire hazard. Play it safe everyone. Assalamu Alai Kum (Peace be with you all) Erwin "Hari" Vicente Legaspi - Spirit Dancing in the Flesh - NAGA RAJAH - "The Serpent King" "Behold, I send you like sheep in the midst of wolves; be wise as serpents and harmless as doves." - Matthew 10:16 "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." - Jiddu Krishnamurti "To silence the man is more dangerous than damming the flood." - old Chinese Zhou dynasty proverb ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Integration of what is already there Doc, Actually, my post and particular interest was directed to the Philippine Fighting Arts as a whole vs. any particular system style. The principles and concepts are what make it open to the integration that is already there. Taking the ridge hand that is not primarily a FMA technique(I'm sure there are those that do it, it's just not one of the more popular ones within FMA), it does fall into the angles of attack. Just like you said: >>It is only of late that the blending on mass scale has occurred >>where an individual will start largo flow to medio and finish in >>corto or the situation so demands. Individual practiioneers have >>gotten smarter. As teaching of "systems", I agree with what you say. Teachers of the past and even today do teach it like that. Yet, remember, back in 1521, the warriors would run to(obviously this puts them in largo mano/snakey range) the enemy and proceed (through middle/sumbrada/medio) range and patyun ng wowun/kill on the left side(at close/hubud/sumbrada range). And on that same note, as it was individuals that decided to "integrate" what was already there(by this I mean that the Philippine Fighting Arts were never meant ot be limited, and all movements can be found using the principles and concepts), it was individuals that decided to teach only one range or system. Example is, that Angel Cabales decided that his range works best for him, therefore it is the ultimate. People admired his body mechanics and wanted to learn how he fought. Some one else decided that largo mano was right for him and decided it was ultimate. Topado guys decided that the short staff was right for them and therefore ultimate, etc., etc. The individuals chose to keep it where they felt comfortable. BTW, Crafty, thanks for the vid review. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Don Edwards" Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:10:25 GMT Subject: eskrima: GM Cacoy Seminar in NJ We're hosting GM Cacoy Canete at Integrated Martial Arts in Livingston NJ on Sunday, July 23rd from 10 to 3... anyone interested in attending email me or call at 973 422-1500. We're located at 113 South Livingston Ave, next to Il Vicollo resturant and 1/4 mile off Rt 10. As usual, the GM gives a great seminar and its a rare opportunity to see him. Re GM Cacoy's second degree in Judo, I got that from his recent book. I saw him in Calif at the IMB recently and the book had just come out so he didn't point out any errors.. I had actually thought he was a higher ranking in Judo as well. Thanks, Don ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Filovir1@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:17:11 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Lamenco Check out www.pamausa.com. Its in Princeton, NJ. Rick Tucci is the Head Instructor. He is certified to teach Lameco along with a whole bunch of other stuff. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:49:43 PDT Subject: eskrima: shorter sigs, revisited > Assalamu Alai Kum (Peace be with you all) > Erwin "Hari" Vicente Legaspi > - Spirit Dancing in the Flesh - > NAGA RAJAH - "The Serpent King" > > "Behold, I send you like sheep in the midst of wolves; be wise as serpents > and harmless as doves." - Matthew 10:16 > > "Intellect and intelligence do not go together. Intelligence is obtained > only when the heart and mind reach an agreement." - Jiddu Krishnamurti > > "To silence the man is more dangerous than damming the flood." - old > Chinese Zhou dynasty proverb And please remember to limit sigs to 5 or 6 lines. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Jack Bessey Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eskrima: Chicago Training I may be moving to Chicago in the next month or so and would like to start searching for a FMA school. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank You >jackB. ------------------------------ From: Harms/Burke Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:51:25 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Mahaguru Maha (great) guru (teacher/master) are loan words from the Sanskrit language and originate in Yoga traditions thousands of years ago in Northern India. Ever wonder how these words made it into FMA? Jeff Burke ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:45:34 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #333 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.