From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #343 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 16 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 343 In this issue: eskrima: MahaGuru Re: eskrima: MahaGuru eskrima: Full contact and the Villabrille-Largusa Kali group viewpoint eskrima: Re: Lexan mask eskrima: Re: FC sparring eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harms/Burke Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:26:28 -0500 Subject: eskrima: MahaGuru >After all Shaolin Arts were brought to China by Bodhidharma >(enlightenment > > >of duty) a buddhist monk. Jeff burke > > IMHO, weren't there MA in China before Bohidharma...I thought he > > brought Buddhism to China which subsequently influenced the development > > of a number of (already existing) CMAs...anyone? I never said there weren't Martial Arts in China before Bodhidharma- I said _Shaolin Arts_ were brought from INDIA to china by Bodhidharma (this is in context of the suggestion that since both words Maha and Guru are loan words from Sanscrit into Filipino, that there may have been an Indian origin to some facet of the FMA. As a matter of fact Kali is also a Hindu Goddess of Battle and Death revered by the Thugees- a cult of Hindu assassins. Also swords and metalurgy were known in India when the Filipine Islands were still in the Stone Age culture!). As far as Bodhidharma being a mythical figure- that's like saying jesus is a myth, so if you beleive that Bodhidharma or Buddha are myths- then by the same reasoning you must then beleive that jesus is a myth- is that what you beleive, or would have us beleive? Because I assure you, the Shaolin tradition- which went to great lengths to preserve their knowledge and history in writing- consider Bodhidharma to be an actual historical person- as the christians and Buddhists also consider Buddha and Jesus respectively. Legendary is another matter- people even today can become legends in their own time. Example- Bruce Lee is legendary but not mythical- there's a difference. Jeff Burke ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:01:53 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: MahaGuru > Islands were still in the Stone Age culture!). As far as Bodhidharma being > a mythical figure- that's like saying jesus is a myth, so if you beleive > that Bodhidharma or Buddha are myths- then by the same reasoning you must > then beleive that jesus is a myth- Ummm, ... We know that Jesus existed, now whether he was the Son of God is a matter of faith. We know that Buddha existed. We do not know if Bodhidharma actually existed or not. Perhaps he did, the historians cannot agree. For the details see Journal of Asian Martial Arts, Volume 1, Number 4, 1992. Bodhidharma: Meditating Monk, Martial Arts Master or Make-Believe?, by Michael F. Spiessbach. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Mark Harrell" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:05:52 GMT Subject: eskrima: Full contact and the Villabrille-Largusa Kali group viewpoint From: Chad Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: sparring My second question is to all of the people that do full contact stick fighting. I seems like alot of people dont support this type of training and I wonder how do the masters and grand masters feel about this. Like Angel Cabales, Ben Largusa, and others that have done real death matches. >>In response to your question above: Grandmaster Ben Largusa has never >> >>been in any death matches and in fact has never been in a full >> >>contact match either. I know that Grandmaster Largusa and his chosen >>successor Mel Lopez do >>not advocate or encourage full contact fighting >>or even sparring with >>contact. >>These gentlemen instead have chosen to spend their time perserving >>the >>traditions, culture, and artistic expressions of the art of Kali. >>There are a few of us who have chosen a more combative viewpoint and >> >>training methods but for the vast majority of the Villabrille-Largusa >> >>Guro's and students the combative expressions are not emphasized. >Pangulo Na Guro Harrell ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Lexan mask >>The Lexan is 3mm thick. Sounds about the same thickness as one finds >>on F.I.S.T. headgear (the visor of which seemed to hold up well when >>I smacked it with a rattan). I'd like to hear a little more how the fist mask handled. Someone, I think it was Big Joe, spoke highly of it(FIST). I'd like to see exactly how much of a beating this Lexan mask can take without cracking. This mask would eliminate the pounding out of dents that the newer fighters recieve. Because of the not enough masks problem we have, one of the new guys smacked me up the right side of the temple, Owch!!!, because he didn't understand what 50% sparing meant. So, some of you will be seeing me with a little swell between my right eye and temple;). I think this Lexan mask might also be a good gear for guys that wear glasses. On more than one occasion, Leroy, has had to readjust and fix his glasses in the mid of the4 fight. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: FC sparring >>Referring to one of the VERY rare serious injuries that the Dog >>Brothers have had. How serious was the knee injury, and how long did it last. Joe states: >>My conclusion: He implied that you should train full contact, just >>train safe so you can keep training. and... >>I think it's something that anyone actively participating in FMA for >>more then one year should at least do going full out with ads >>on.....and if they get more serious decrease the protection. and... >>Jon....if your remotely serious about your FMA journey - at least do >>it with the pads on or use padded sticks or something. It's worth >>experiencing, and I think several people on the list will agree with >>me on this. Joe makes some very good points, hence the Training Discussion Group we've got going on down here. It's kind of aimed, in my view, to get people comfortable with the idea of having the stick in motion. I think this can play instrumental in someones training for the full contact. When ever some one comes out the first time, we try to get the gear on them and have them experience some motion drills right away so they can reflect their experiences until the next time. I give credit to first time fighters that come out and fight without ever training with us. The first time fighters almost always take a licking. I also have been thinking with the quality and power of some of the fighters growing immensely, is it wise to always be fighting minimal gear, for myself? Maybe, maybe not. The important thing, IMO, is to feel comfortable, and not to fool yourself. Yes, there are different faces of the diamond, and every part plays its role. Ceartain facets of the diamond are bigger than others, and everyone "owns his own diamond". ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:06:37 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #343 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.