From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #345 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 17 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 345 In this issue: eskrima: Fist helmet and Lexan eskrima: Bodhidharm and China eskrima: Mahaguru eskrima: Maha Re: eskrima: Maha eskrima: Bodhidharma was a man, yes a real man (sung to the tune of Dan'l Boone) eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kautz.Kraft@t-online.de (Michael Kautz) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:47:21 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Fist helmet and Lexan Hi, im dealing with the Fist Police Suit since more than three years and i had no repair since this time, i sold a lot of the suits and helmets to special police forces, for example the famous Anti-Terror-Force "GSG 9", and they train very hard with this products, using Expandable Batons like ASP and Sidehandle Batons like the PR-24 in Fullcontact Sparring. The manufacturer says, and i Think so, you cannot smash the lexan mask easily with a hammer. The bad case for regular trainig is, that you sweat a lot, because its a padded helmet. On the german Eskrima product webpage "www.kuntao.de" you can find lighter helmets, they have a lexan mask too! Cu Michael Kautz Police Sports Club Karlsruhe, Southwest Germany ------------------------------ From: Kendal Coats Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Bodhidharm and China Ok I'll throw in my own 2cents. As my teacher tells me, yes there were martial arts in China before Bodhidharma, however through his meditations and efforts what he taught the monks was how to integrate their movement with breath. Did he expand on what they knew, probably but heres the catch. I hate to break this to all the gung fu guys in America, but China is ruled by a communist regime. A government that outlawed ALL martial practice and ALL religion. To them MArtial Arts is religion, and in Communist China, Religion is Poison. What remained was what the government accepted and allowed. History is often rewritten by the victors, and in this case the communist were victorious. To this day practioners of Chi Kung (Fulan Gong to be specific) are hunted and arested every day, just for practicing their art. The Sholin Temple is a relic now housed by Government Approved monks, teaching and showing Government Approved Martial Arts. The real headed south long ago.. As for the Bodhidharma debate, does it matter? Of course he was a real historical figure, as to separate the man from the myth,,good luck,,but as a great teacher once said, the truth lies not within the mythology but in fact is the mythology. Regardless of the history we have much to learn from Bodhidharma, and I would suggest that you should read "The Zen Teachings of Bodhidharma" if you are searching for some of his teachings. The great cultures of the world all have something to teach. Peace Taomonkey@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Harms/Burke Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:23:49 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Mahaguru Fighting arts are actually FORBIDDEN to be practised or studied in the monasteries! Sorry guys, for letting you down. It is Buddhist law. There is what is called the Disciple Master in every monastery in the old days and he sees to this. If you are caught, you may be expelled immediately if 'he has got it against you'. However, each monastery also usually maintains its disciplinary monks (very much like the equivalent of our Military Police, or bouncers) who have some physical muscle and are capable and perhaps nasty enough to inflict pain and expel troublemakers. These small anormalies are not treated as deviations, but necessities to maintain discipline, and are under the charge of the Disciple Master, not the Abbot. The Meditation Master is merely in charge of meditaion, nothing else. The Teaching Masters just lecture. John Chow? Nice try pal, but it won't work- first you're projecting modern buddhist practices from one area back in time and thru space onto the Shaolin monastery. Said monastery- buddhist or no- has been linked to martial arts practice in many sources before the advent of communism in china. As far as being expelled for practice- perhaps that's the reason that Bodhidharma got to china in the first place? As far as being forbidden- Buddha himself was of the Kshitraya (Warrior Caste) which is why buddhism never became very popular in India (Priests are from the Brahman Caste). As far as Buddhists not fighting- perhaps some don't, but I have personnally known many a Martial Artist- instructors too- that were Buddhists. In Tibet there is a famous story of a monk who killed a tyrannical King- the rationale was that if by killing one many lives could be saved, then the killing was the lesser of 2 evils. India has had martial arts systems- including pressure point manipulatioin for attack or healing- for millenia. China has been borrowing scriptures, music, and warfare techniques from India for millenia also. And this is all documented. Jeff Burke ------------------------------ From: "Virginia Martial Arts" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:25:18 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Maha <> That's just FU**ING rude. Far be it for us to use foreign words to describe fighting arts from many countries in Asia. What I call my instructor is nobody else's damn business. Dale Hinton ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:37:07 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Maha > < fantasy titles made up of foreign words.>> > > That's just FU**ING rude. Far be it for us to use foreign words to describe > fighting arts from many countries in Asia. What I call my instructor is > nobody else's damn business. Dale is correct. I'm glad someone with stones is jumping on that rude statement. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:39:17 PDT Subject: eskrima: Bodhidharma was a man, yes a real man (sung to the tune of Dan'l Boone) > Nice try pal, but it won't work- Ok, whatever... Time to move on. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:38:09 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #345 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.