From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #349 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 18 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 349 In this issue: Re: eskrima: Kali Virus eskrima: Ron Balicki Seminar eskrima: Crafty Dog NYC Seminar Review eskrima: maha guro / guro nate eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #347 eskrima: Silat statement from Paul De Thouars eskrima: Re: Maha Brouhaha eskrima: Re: Too much or too little eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Terry Tippie Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:27:14 -0700 Subject: Re: eskrima: Kali Virus I have a great deal of respect for Tuhon Bill's martial arts knowledge, but I want to weigh in on the attached message, specifically in the area of computer security. There is a class of E-mail-based "denial of service" attacks which the attached E-mail falls into. Messages of this type may: 1) As in the first "Chistmas Tree" bug that shut down Wall Street in the 1970s they may contain a particularly well written message of good cheer, or most commonly, 2) Warn people of a problem, such as a computer virus All of these messages contain one common thread which allows them to be recognized: They ask you to forward the original E-mail to EVERYONE in your address book. Here's the problem. Suppose there are 200 people in your address book and each one of those people have 200 people in their address book. Well, 200 * 200 = 4000 messages. That's a lot of messages, even if you stop at one hop away. Let this go 50 hops and you have exactly the problem that the originator of the message was trying to produce. Now the E-mail administrator of their company or ISP has a problem that they have to clean up because of all the SPAM E-mail messages can cause a storm that fills up E-mail server disks, causing an interruption of service. So, don't do this. If you receive either a warning of a virus or a suspect message please do the following. (First of all don't open any attachments.) Contact the MIS department of your company and ask them to investigate. If anybody needs to send out a message to all-employees let it be done one time and let it be somebody whos job is to look at these things. For future information, viruses can be imbedded within attachments to E-mail messages, but not within E-mail text directly (because it's just text). In particular, watch out for E-mail attachments that contain a .EXE, .VBX (visual basic) or MS-Word (because of the macros that can come with it.) In addition, E-mail products that are highly automated, such as MS-Exchange, have more susceptibility to E-mail viruses (viri?) than the more basic text-based packages, such as Eudora. Finally, the Kali virus along with Melissa is a pretty old one and should be picked up by any up-to-date virus checking software. Respectfully, Terry Tippie Director, Technical Sales Support Service Provider Networks Lucent Technologies, Inc. Alameda, CA USA (Don't call me, I'm Busy!) P.S.: I'm off to Ajarn Chai Sirisute's Muay Thai Camp. We're bringing in a General from Thailand who I think heads up the King's bodyguard this year to cover Krabi-Krabong. It should be fun. ------------------------------ From: AWSolis@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:39:00 EDT Subject: eskrima: Ron Balicki Seminar Woof! Ron Balicki Seminar Date: August 12 and 13, 2000 Time: 11:00am to 5pm both days Bring: Bag gloves, thai pads, focus mitts, mouth piece, rattan sticks, training knives, Where: Solis Martial Arts Academy 1420 FM 1960 E Bypass #119 Humble, Texas 77338 281-540-8443 Fees: $95 door, $85 earlybird One day only: $45 door Make checks or money orders payable to: Ron Balicki or call 310-530-6753 to prepay by credit card. We always have a great time when Ron is here, a very generous instructor. Its like getting 6 months of training jammed packed in a weekend. I have learned more JKDC from Ron in our short time together than with any another instructor. His seminars are very dynamic and fun! Hope to see some you there! Woof! Alvis Hound Dog! www.serve.com/solis/ PS Carlos Machado comes back to SMAA October 28th and 29th! ------------------------------ From: NYJKDC@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:13:14 EDT Subject: eskrima: Crafty Dog NYC Seminar Review This past weekend I had the pleasure of hosting our fourth annual seminar with Guro Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny, here in New York. The seminar was a sell out and we had to turn to turn people away at the door. Guro Marc has been working his staff the last few years, including fighting with the four foot staff at Gatherings of the Pack and this seminar was the first time he shared a comprehensive overview of the structure he has developed for DBMA. It is an intergration of Inosanto Blend, Pekiti Tirsia & Krabi Krabong. The progression is well organized and the grid innovative. As a teacher I appreciate the way the progression allows those with less experience to learn as well as the more seasoned in attendance and leave all with a highly functional structure.. As a fighter, well-- I like it! Of particular interest to me was his way of using the power strokes as what he calls the "slider", which is a merge toward the hands. He then went into the reverse staff. He gave us the awareness to be able to pick up anything in the enviroment to use as a weapon such as broom, rake and shovel. The second half of the second day went into the application of triangular footwork in siniwali. I want to thank Guro Marc for sharing his knowledge and understanding of this weapon, which gave me and my students, a greater appreciation for the true application of the Staff and for helping deepen my understanding of traingular footwork. Nick Sacoulas ------------------------------ From: Raphael Chiu Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: maha guro / guro nate Hopefully this will be the last message concerning the Maha Guro / Guro Nate Defensor / Defensor Method thread. This may shed light to Mr. Rudolf b/c when I too first learned about Guro Nate I didn't think he was for real (sorry Guro!). I first heard about Nate when I was coming off a 1 1/2 year sabbatical and realized I wanted to make FMA my core. I did my research in the Chicago area and found his website. I remember thinking "Who on earth has a last name like Defensor and anybody who has trained with this many people as listed on their website has got to be lying." However, after talking to more ppl, everyone pointed me in the direction of Nate. When I first visited him to talk concepts and theory, I was shocked to realize he's Filipino (didn't we have a thread 4 months ago concerning the Filipino-ization of Spanish words, especially with names?). His birth name is given by an ancestor who literally defended their village by the way he brandished his sword. Over time I have realized that he really did study with all those ppl listed on the website. But going back to the title thing, what he wrote about how he likes to be addressed vs. the hierarchy titles is totally true. I tend to use "Nate" and "Guro" interchangeably with him. In seminars I make a point to remind myself to use "Guro" so that other instructors don't think I'm being disrespectful. Anyway, I hope this wasn't too long (too late) and I certainly hope this didn't come off as an overzealously loyal student trying to defend the honor...blah, blah, blah. I'm just trying to point out that I can understand what an outsider may see with Guro Nate and Defensor Method b/c I once did too. With much respect, Raphael Chiu Filipino Kali-Eskrima Academy of Chicago Defensor Method __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:47:10 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #347 << As depicted in "The Deceivers" with Pierce Brosnan ("Ali my brother!")...there may be some confusion as to the Kali (Indian) - Kali (Phil) connection, at least in terms of word usage. The Indian term does refer to the goddess, but the Philippine term is a contraction of the word "kalis" which has been translated as knife or blade, but in Tagalog means "sword" or "saber" (this according to the Tag. - English Dictionary of James English). Furthermore, the origin in this dictionary claims that it is derived from the Spanish word "caliz". So the word Kali is actually derived from the Spanish, not the Indian...just like the terms Arnis and Escrima. (BTW, I tend to agree with Pellicer's remarks on the use of Kali in the PI). >> I have heard this before as well (I heard it from GM Nene Tortal). Another origin I've heard for "Kali" (from Guro Dan Inosanto), is that it is a combination of two older words: "Kamut" (which meant hand or body ... I can't remember which) and "Lihuk" (which meant motion) so the combination "Kali" meant "motion of the [hand or body]." Which one is correct? Hard to say. In fact, given some of the other strange things I've heard about the various dialects in the PI, it's possible that both contain some truth and it depends on what dialect/region you're referring to. Regards, Mike - -- Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not. A sense of humor to console him for what he is. ------------------------------ From: MikHam777@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:54:46 EDT Subject: eskrima: Silat statement from Paul De Thouars Came across this today...WOW!!! To whom it may concern This letter was written on the request of Maurice de Thouars (Guru Tua of Pukulan Pentjak Silat Sera) and Dolf de Vries (Guru Tua of Pukulan Pentjak Silat Sera and son of Ventje de Vries). I Paul de Thouars (Guru Tua of Pukulan Pentjak Silat Sera and Creator of Pukulan Pentjak Silat Bukti Negara), because of the claims made by my brother Victor de Thouars, have recently decided to publicly state my position regarding those with whom I have formally dictated to be in positions of authority. Any previous statements regarding lineage (whether implied by the public or specifically stated by myself or Victor de Thouars) concerning the succession of responsibility, leadership and direction of the Art of Serak are now void. Clearly stated, Victor de Thouars is not a lineage-holder of Serak and is not my successor. Any article, video, website, seminar, publication, or other media product that states otherwise is false. I do not hold those who currently train or have trained with Victor at fault for being mislead. But let it be known that those who continue to train under Victor's fabricated Serak are not and will never be recognized as traditional Serak players by myself Paul de Thouars, Maurice de Thouars or Dolf de Vries. I trained Victor off and on for two years in Wormer, Holland. He was shown the basic eighteen (18) djurus and the djuru sequence on langkah tiga (triangle). He was not taught the Sambutan (counter-to-counter), the other langkahs or the many various drills that the curriculum demands. This was the extent of his training. Because he was inpatient and unwilling to accept correction, his training was ended. He recently decided to adopt the curriculum of Maurice de Thouars, a curriculum of which he has never trained and is not recognized by Maurice, Dolf or any other player from the Ventje de Vries lineage. To make such claims dishonors the memories of John and Ventje de Vries and to those who have diligently trained, sacrificed, and adhered to traditional adat and hormat-the laws and bi-laws that govern Sera. His blatant disregard for traditional adat and hormat has lead him on a path of dishonesty. I am making these statements to finally put an end to misleading articles and information -written by Victor or Willem de Thouars or those who claim to represent them-that have surfaced over the years regarding Serak's leadership and lineage, and to those who dispute the existence of the art itself. My family's art is an heirloom of knowledge, experience, and creative thinking. The system's history has always been a proven fact within the family long before it became widely known. My brother Maurice and my cousin Dolf de Vries received Serak from Ferdinand (Ventje) de Vries-my teacher's brother. Both Ventje and my teacher John de Vries learned directly from Mas Djut. Maurice and Dolf both can testify to the art's validity and it's connection to the family. There are enough living relatives and friends from the time when Serak was trained secretly and within the confines of the family to collectively refute any claim of authenticity against it. The families in Holland and Indonesia, and myself know the truth of any statements made concerning Serak. So as it stands now, it is my wish that the future of Serak is to be directed by my Board of Directors (Danny Huybrechts, Louis Campos, Larry Watanabe, Cliff Stewart) who are currently active in receiving the Serak system directly from myself. All other standings regarding Bukti Negara Guru-ships and other appointed positions are unaffected by this decision. My intention is to clarify and specify a direction, and individuals who will lead the art with integrity and honor into the future. Specifically the members of the Board of Directors are to cooperatively guide the art into future venues and make decisions regarding the transmission of Serak to future generations. Those who dispute the content of this letter are welcomed to contact the only three persons in the world who have the authority to comment on this subject: Myself, Paul de Thouars, my brother Maurice de Thouars and Dolf de Vries. ------------------------------ From: "Just This Dude" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:24:26 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Maha Brouhaha > < fantasy titles made up of foreign words.>> > > That's just FU**ING rude. Far be it for us to use foreign words to describe > fighting arts from many countries in Asia. What I call my instructor is > nobody else's damn business. Man, if there's one thing I hate it's when people hide their feelings and don't tell us what they really think. ;) VERY nicely put. For a lot of things in martial arts there are no words for in the English language. Like "Pendekar." For "Pendekar" you would have to say "Living Martial Arts Saint" but that wouldn't cover it. How would you express something like "bong sao" or "shiho-nage" or "sinawalli?" I think at times it becomes ridiculous, like when all-english-speaking classes taught by english-speaking, non-asian teachers use asian words to describe the downspout on the back of the Sensei's uncle's hog barn, but it's their deal. Another thing I've thought of is what would one do if one were given a title by a teacher whom one respected and with whom one had studied for many years. What if it was a ridiculous title, like "Grand Mojo" or something of the sort. You'd be in a position of having to take the title and just deal with all the disrespect and jeers from the peanut gallery, something that perhaps the teacher planned all along as a final exercise in humility and respect. - -JT ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Too much or too little >>I don't see how you can properly prepare yourself for combat with any >>type of martial art (not just weapon work) without full contact >>sparring. The problem we have as instructors is that the line >>between too much and too little sparring is a slim tightrope that is >>at a different height for each student and which moves as each >>student progresses. I was recently approached by a group of three boys all in the age range of 17 to 19 yrs old. I had shown the 19 yr old a little, nothing major, just surrounded off of him trying to hit me at 75% and I defending my self and just letting him know I was there. I wasn't interested in inviting them th the training discussion group because of what I though he had a lack of interest on his part. As of recently, he has been constantly asking me to teach him, and I haven't, partly due to what I am considering a "young" attitude that I'm not quite comfortable with having this type of knowledge. On the same note though, I also feel that most people(or hope that most people) with "bad" hearts will not have the preserverence to stick with the training. These kids don't have bad hearts though, they are just going through that ackward stage in life, still trying to find out themselves. All though I have to remember that I was once there in High School, too. Anyway, on Sunday, they asked me again, so I said, that if they want to learn to fight, they can use my gear and camera, and have a go at it. They went at it Sunday evening, Monday afternoon, and Sunday evening again. I was shocked to find these guys walking in the house bruised and lumped up, asking me if I could fix some of them up. Before I knew it, I found myself almost telling them that they don't have to do Full Contact, but I caught myself. No matter how many people tell me that I shouldn't do it, I won't listen, so I didn;t tell them. It was just a little funny, looking at them as the eyes that was telling them that they weren't ready to be doing full contact, the way people have told us that we weren't ready when we first started. Well, good luck with these guys, and I hope that the "art" side can change the attitudes and help them to mature. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! 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