From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #351 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 19 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 351 In this issue: eskrima: "Hindu" influence on FMA eskrima: Gathering of Masters 2000 eskrima: Tony Texiera re: eskrima: Teaching of the FMA in the Philippines eskrima: My Sincere Apologies! eskrima: Re: age discrimination eskrima: Modern Arnis Michigan Camp [none] eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mikal Keenan Date: 19 Jul 00 08:53:03 CDT Subject: eskrima: "Hindu" influence on FMA In previous post I mentioned Kalari Payyat and Vajra Mushti. There are Northern and Southern "styles" which reflect similar differences btwn Northern and Southern "styles" of Chinese kung fu (ey, it's all kung fu to me!:-) Coast-hopping was practiced by Africans, Phoenicians, Persians, Indians ... you name it. People moved around a lot and according to Dan Inosanto (here I go again) large Africans moved out towards the Pacific (via S. India) followed by smaller Africans, then the Vishayans. Discussing this with Burton Richardson one day in Birmingham, in response to the part about the "little Africans" he remarked "Yeah, and they've got knives!" Time for a smile ... anyway, back to topic. Martial practices of African, Persian, Indian and other peoples no doubt had their influences on each other and it don't take no Ph.D. to consider that given Vajra Mushti and Kalari Payyat in Southern India, elements of those approaches to fighting found their way into the area that we call Indonesia and the Phillipines along with the peoples who travelled that way via and/or from Southern India. I wonder, is it possible that there is a connection btwn the name of Kalari Payyat and Kali? A stretch maybe, but considering the insistence of native practitioners of Kali that "Kali" refers to ancestral practices I would defer to them, either following the "kalis", Kali-Ma (goddess Kali), or Kalari Payyatu lines of reasoning. The connection with Kalari Payyatu is entirely my own speculation. If not the term, then definitely some of its fighting ways. Kalari Payyat includes the striking and projection of intention into the "marma" (like dim mak), weapons, etc. ... and is learned from a guru/yogi. First requirements include morality and a supple body. Another early requirement is mental training. Popular Western approaches to athleticism and fighting have a lot of it backwards. IMHO morality is first, last and foremost no matter where our methods come from. Have a healthy family/community, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ From: "Tom Skoglind" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:28:40 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Gathering of Masters 2000 This year's Gathering of Masters camp in Wisconsin has concluded and was once again excellent. The returning instructors were Suro Inay, Guro Jason Inay, Guro Jena Inay, Guro Nate Defenser. First time instructor Shihan Russ Rhodes added his unique flavor to the camp, and I hope he will return next year. The Inay clan taught wide variety of the individual styles from the Inayan System (kadena de mano, larga mano, serrada, siniwali, etc.). Guro Nate covered elements of PT knife as well as silat. Shihan Rhodes covered some traditional Danzan-Ryu jujutsu as well as his dynamic blend of KDM, kempo and jujutsu. Dr. Whitesell was unfortunately not able to attend this year, but should be back for the next one. This camp is held the same weekend every year, and includes not only a wealth of knowledge, but an open and friendly atmosphere where everyone feels like an old friend you haven't seen in a while. This camp is definately one to make time for - mark your calendar for next year. I believe all of the instructors are on this digest, so I would like to say THANK YOU for so generously sharing your time and your arts with all of us. Tom Skoglind tskoglin@schmitt-title.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 9:22:28 PDT Subject: eskrima: Tony Texiera Forwarding sad news... Ray - ----------------------------------------------------------- It is with great sadness that I just learned of the passing this last Friday of Tony Texiera, from cancer. Tony was one of Angel Cabales' Advanced students and one of my seniors. Although he'd moved to Watsonville by the time I was training, I had many opportunities to spend time with him. He was always willing to show up to help Angel at demos and seminars, and when he passed the Bar, with legal help. Tony was also an old Kenpo man, though he died in his prime, leaving a teenage son as his youngest. He will be missed ... ------------------------------ From: "Bartrand Hubbard" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:23:54 -0400 Subject: re: eskrima: Teaching of the FMA in the Philippines Snip: "So far so good, but in the last 50 or so years, there was no real necessity to teach/learn the FMA to survive. But how about 100 or more years ago (again, I don´t know, I am only guessing), when there were still the spaniards, or the americans just coming in, in the time of the Katipunan, and also durind the tome of tribal feuds within the filipinos, the knowledge of fighting seemed to me a need to survive. So I would guess, that the people who had the knowledge of fighting would be willing to spread it (at least within the family or the village), because it would help the young people to survive." End Snip I think that in order to say there has been no necessity to learn the FMA in the Philippines you have to be a little bit uninformed. The Philippines has faced a state of almost constant civil war for the last 50 years. I lived there during the last years of the Cold War during one of the first years of the Aquino administration. The Communist insurgency continues to this day with attacks and killings of police and civilians. The NPA is very much alive. Also the conflict against the Muslim insurgency (Abu Sayyaf, MILF) has continued since before the Marcos regime and claimed more than 120,000 lives. Tribal warfare is ended on a full scale but regional dislikes are still around and still flare up. I lived in Manila where carrying a gun carried serious penalties. In my high school my friends and I all carried knives and other weapons (brass knuckles, tsako, etc). So did most of the petty criminals and local thugs. My youngest Uncle also spent a lot of time showing me how to use them. I mostly got in fistfights and did some brandishing but the threat was always very real and we did our best to not let anything get that far. Watch the news from the Philippines like Saksi or just a regular news show from TFC and you'll see that there are very many deaths from knifings and bludgeonings. I and several of my cousins and friends have been in fights involving hand to hand weapons. I have been slashed and couple of my cousins have been injured. One of them was even killed in a knife-fight near Hulo (a Metro-Manila neighborhood). What I'm trying to say is that the Philippines is in conflict much of the time and although it is mostly safe it is nothing like postwar Germany which has been mostly stable and is the model society for new members of the EU. I love the Philippines and I'm going to go there in a few weeks as a matter of fact, but while you're there you definitely always need to be aware of your surroundings and when I lived in Manila in the late 80's learning to defend yourself and keeping sharp was necessary to keep breathing. Partially that was due to being a young tisoy but mostly it was the fact that there was so much conflict going on (coup attempts, crime, regional hatreds, etc.). Almost every male knew something and was actively training. When I last went there in 1996 things were better, but I was also older and all I did were touristy things. I got the feeling though that for the regular Filipino, not much had really changed. My two cents, Bart Hubbard ------------------------------ From: MikHam777@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:50:18 EDT Subject: eskrima: My Sincere Apologies! The post I forwarded to this Digest about DeThouars Brothers was merely just something I came across that was forwarded to me from someone I don't even know. It was never my intentions to spread rumors, or to stir up any emotions for that matter. I read it, and simply thought the number of Silat practiconeers on this forum would find it interesting, that's all. To be perfectly honest, this was my 1st post on this digest, and was actually somewhat of a "test post", as I have never posted on this type of digest forum. Again, I deeply apologize, and will think twice before posting something of this nature, I was only trying so "share" information, not trying to offend anyone.......Sorry.........MH ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: age discrimination >>You cant out right judge someone in that situation >>becaus you didnt know if they were ready to train or not. The fact >>is you discriminated on them becaus of thier age. No, I did not descriminate bacause of age. I am 22 years old, making me 3 years older than the oldest boy. And speaking of the 19 year old, he is one that swears alot withot reason, will sometimes act big, which if he does after knowing some of the art, he will get himself into trouble. I have seen him do this because I was with him, and I told him right away, that if he gets himself into trouble acting stupid, he takes care of his own problems, and that shut him up right away. The "youngness" that I spoke about is a youngness in mind. Now he has to prove to me that he has a good heart, because, I choose not to give the responsibility to someone that can't handle it. How do I know that he can't? I don't, I also don't know if he can, and that is why I'm leary. >>I believe that the art of Kali is and should be taught to all people >>that want to learn, So, what if 6 gang bangers were to walk into the school and wanted to learn the art of knifefighting? ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Black" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:31:48 PDT Subject: eskrima: Modern Arnis Michigan Camp E-D - Just a quick note on Professor Remy Presas' MSU summer camp. Four days without a care in the world except my preferred way to use sticks and sharp objects. For those involved or interested in Modern Arnis, I have to recommend this summer camp, because it is well run and attended by many high ranking black belts. As always, Professor handled the bulk of the teaching, and still hasn't lost a step. Other highlights included sessions taught by Chuck Gauss of Detroit and Tim Hartman of Buffalo, with an outstanding test run by Gabrielle Roloff of Germany. On a more personal level, I was privileged to witness my instructor, Tim Hartman, promoted to 6th degree black belt, and granted the title of Datu. As Tim's testing partner, I am still recovering from my beating. Professor then announced that Tim's rank is the highest tested for in 17 years. Regardless of the swirl of debate that surrounds the title of Datu on this digest, I am sure that the list members who know Tim will congratulate him. Kevin Black shillelagh2@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Sam Beckett Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] . " I fear that your world is now infested with blind snipers who shoot off their mouths without thinking and blaze away without taking the time to examine whether their self righteous advice applies or not." Not only mouths, but with the electronic medium people can remain anonymous in their subversion without the need for the stones to back it up. All this 'banter' regarding rank, titles, this and that is discouraging. IMO belts hold up your pants, rank is for the military, and titles are for business cards. I read Mr. Defensors comments on the subject and saw a basis of humility. This is what it's all about. Who should be concerned what another person is or isn't? These people are only supporting their own shallow ego's and simply dont get it. There may be the need for hierarchy within a system, and obviously the founder should be the only one w/ the designation of 'founder'... whatever they decide to call it. My hat is off to those on this list and elsewhere who train for the sake of training, who sweat, bleed, and ache not to defeat others, but to defeat 'themselves', and who have the courage to face up to the realities of the whole 'thing' through open eyes, not through the veil of self. "In the land of the blind the one eyed are Kings!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:00:13 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #351 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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