From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #352 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 20 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 352 In this issue: eskrima: Creaking Knees eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Pak Victor deThouars clarification eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #351 eskrima: Re:newbies [none] eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:02:29 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Creaking Knees Hi I seem to be developing an ailment which may or may not be due to my training... Of late, my knees have been making cracking noises more often than is healthy, such as while getting out of a car(????), wondering around at work etc... It hurts a bit as well and I'm starting to feel like a cripple.:( Does anyone else suffer from this? Is it a result of bad training (I was forced to do knee tormenting stretching a few years ago), or am I just getting on in life (I'm 20). Jon. ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:46:19 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >Best regards from Germany > > >Dieter Knüttel >European Modern Arnis Representative Dieter, My point exactly, as much as we would like to say we do know, the fact is we DON'T. Half of the time we state what we would have liked to have been, beyond that is a question mark. We can IMAGINE how the Katipuneros may have trained, but we really haven't got a clue, much less how Lapu-lapu did. We give opinions on how things were, what things are called, which later generations may take as the gospel truth. Fifty years from now, uh-oh. The Mcspaghetti thing would be understood by anyone from here. Italian originated food, from an American fastfood chain, made to suit filipino taste by being sweetened and using RED Filipino hotdogs. If I insist I am eating Italian or American because I don't know any better, and insist so among connosiuers of Italian or Italian-American food, I would be assuming too much. I'm on the way out till next week, would like to expound and exchange ideas further but gotta go. Will catch up monday. Regards LPIII ------------------------------ From: Michael Roberto Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:06:59 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Pak Victor deThouars clarification Greetings, Please pardon my intrusion. I was given this email address by my teacher, Pak Victor deThouars, in regard to a letter which has reportedly been circulated to the Escrima Digest. The letter, ostensibly from Paul deThouars, indicates that Pak Victor is somewhat a beginning student in silat Serak, and has no standing with the art. The letter encourages people to contact Danny Huybrechts among others to verify the points made in the letter. As a point of clarification I would ask that anyone interested please obtain a copy of Inside Kung Fu, February 2000 issue with Diana Inosanto on the cover. In that issue they published a Danny Huybrechts article about Paul deThouars and silat Serak. Please note that Pak Victor is given prominent recognition in that article's Serak lineage chart branching from Paul deThouars. In the May 2000 issue of Inside Kung Fu with Jet Li on the cover, the editor kindly published my congratulations to Guru Huybrechts, which appears in the Letters to the Editor, on a well-written article. For the record Pak Victor does not seek affiliation with or recognition by Paul deThouars. Pak Victor's standing within the art is secured by a long and verifiable history of demonstrated teaching and practice. Thank You and Best Wishes, Mike Roberto V.D.T. Academy ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:22:21 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #351 From: "Bartrand Hubbard" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:23:54 -0400 Subject: re: eskrima: Teaching of the FMA in the Philippines > > Snip: > > > > "So far so good, but in the last 50 or so years, there was no real > > necessity to teach/learn the FMA to survive. > > > > But how about 100 or more years ago (again, I don´t know, I am only > > guessing), when there were still the spaniards, or the americans just > > coming in, in the time of the Katipunan, and also durind the tome of > > tribal feuds within the filipinos, the knowledge of fighting seemed to > > me a need to survive. So I would guess, that the people who had the > > knowledge of fighting would be willing to spread it (at least within the > > family or the village), because it would help the young people to > > survive." > > > > End Snip > > I think that in order to say there has been no necessity to learn the FMA > in the Philippines you have to be a little bit uninformed. The Philippines > has faced a state of almost constant civil war for the last 50 years. I > lived there during the last years of the Cold War during one of the first > years of the Aquino administration. The Communist insurgency continues to > this day with attacks and killings of police and civilians. The NPA is very > much alive. Also the conflict against the Muslim insurgency (Abu Sayyaf, > MILF) has continued since before the Marcos regime and claimed more than > 120,000 lives. > > snip > > Bart Hubbard Hi, I think you missed the point of my question. Of course there is alwas a need for selfdefense especially in big cities with a lot os social and other problems. I am well aware about the amount of crime and the political conflicts with the NPA as well as the struggle for freedom from Manila in Mindanao. I was in the Philippines during the killing of Ninoy Aquino in Summer 1983 as well as during the revolution and the takeover of Cory Aquino from Ferdinand Marcos beginning of 1986. I was there when there were shootings in the streets of Manila (Quiapo) and I also read the articles about people being killed and injured trough machetes when fighting over a private conflict. Still I think it is not the same as being in wart with another nation and having foreign soldiers in the country. Conflicts with the NPA are not solved with FMA, they have machine guns etc. Regarding the crime rate, I don´t know figures, but I know that I tried to stay away for example from Tondo and I did not go to Mindanao for safety reasons. But I sure would also not try to enter the Fawelas of Rio de Janeiro, or go for a walk in certain areas of cities like Los Angeles, Harlem, etc. (I am not picking on any city especially, no insult against any city intended). I want to say that there are also high crime rates elswhere and in that regard there is of course always a reason to learn self defense, but I think that there is a difference as to be in war with another nation and the enemy being in the country. I think it was not by chance, that the FMA were regarded as a dying art in the 50ies and 60ies. (This is written in many Arnis Kali Esrima books, like in "Modern Arnis, Philippine Martial Art "Stockfighting" by Remy Presas", 1973, page 9, or "The filipino martial arts as taught by Dan Inosanto" page 13, and others, and not a term or opinion I made up. Remy Presas was even awarded the following by the City of Iloilo on March 19th 1974, in resolution Nr. 388, (Quote): "Recognizing Mr. Ramy A. Presas as the person responsible for reviving the ancient filipino martial art of "Arnis" " (end of the quote) (see "Modern Arnis, Philippine Martial Art "Stockfighting" by Remy Presas", 1973, page 169, there you see the resolution). But I don´t want to start a debate, which country has a higher crime reate. I think the crime rate in too high in every country, and that was not the thread I wanted to start. My main question was: Were the masters, the people that knew how to fight, in former times as hesitant to share their knowledge as they are now, in the way Luis Pellicer described and I am not talking about the groups that have schools and teach openly nowadays. I know that Dr. Jose Rizal and Andres Bonifacio trained Arnis. Isn´t there anything for example on the writings of Rizal, that could help in answering this question? BTW, congratulations to Tim Hartman for his promotion to 6th Dan and Datu in Modern Arnis. Best regards from Germany Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions E-Mail: dk@abanico.de Internet: http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative Internet: http://www.modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re:newbies Took the three new guys and another "new" guy(this ones been training since he was seven, and is 18 now, worked slowly on two new things, and they jumped right into the fighting. Next, they faced two experienced fighters, who were going at it light for them, so they can see the difference in power between each other. Interesting...keep you all posted. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Sam Beckett Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [none] <<<>> IMO the level of dedication required to become proficient in these arts is more than most people are willing to give. These 'gang banger' types should be given the same opportunity as anyone who walks off the street (if you give to people who walk off the street). By spending their first several months being spoon fed basic techniques, none OBVIOUSLY relating to their desire to learn 'knife fighting', those without the dedication will be quickly weeded out. The martial arts are a powerful tool for self change and spiritual 'enlightenment' (with dedication!!!). Who knows, of the 6 punks who walk in, 4 may wash out w/in a month, 1 may hang around for half a year (until he finds a girlfriend!), and one may remain as a dedicated student and friend. You may be saving his life by showing him about 'IT'. He WILL change his 'gang- banging' ways and actually be of benefit to himself and others. This depends on what YOU have. As teachers our responsibility is not only to train students in mechanics, philosophy, and tradition; but to teach (show) them a better way of living WITH those around them, and ultimatly with themselves. The 'Gateless Gate' has no one monitoring or allowing who can pass through, it is open to all who seek it. Finding the Gate is easy for many, passing through the Gate is difficult for most, and becoming the Gate is impossible to all without dedication, persevearance, and a desire for spiritual connectedness and right living (action). "Do not seek what the Masters knew, seek what they sought." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! 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