From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #355 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 21 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 355 In this issue: eskrima: Two-on-two stick at the Gathering? eskrima: Abat eskrima: Knees eskrima: creaky knees eskrima: creaky knees eskrima: Knees, shoulders, hips, elbows, spines, etc. eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Loki Jorgenson Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Two-on-two stick at the Gathering? ::From: Chad ::I know that the DB's have two on one and two on two knife sparring at ::the Gatherings, and I know that you guys don't do two on one ::stickfights for obvious reasons(it's kind of crazy!!!), but have you ::guys, or anyone else, ever tried it? :: I've been thinking about two-on-two stick fighting lately. I've tried two-on-two knife at my last two Gatherings and it was a very interesting fight. But now I'm starting get serious about the prospect of two-on-two with a stick. The stakes are clearly higher. But what could be more to the point? *Is* it really that crazy? Has anyone tried it? At the Gathering or otherwise? - -- 'gards, /\ Pekiti-Tirsia kali / \ silat Jati Wisesa Loki Jorgenson < MANOyBASTON Martial Arts > / __ \ Dog Brothers MA loki@pekiti-tirsia.org (604) 254-0240 / _L \ Majapahit Empire www.pekiti-tirsia.org/ManoBaston/ /________\ (Inosanto-IMAIA) ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Abat Anyone interested in Abat, check out http://www.fullcontacthi.com under Datu's Corner. I still get chicken skin reading this after seeing things that I've saw. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: DojoDoor@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 03:22:44 EDT Subject: eskrima: Knees Anytime there is a sensation of something getting stuck in a knee, particularly when there is a notable clicking sensation, meniscus damage should be suspected. My personal opinion is that if you feel you need to ease up because of this, get it operated or at least see an orthopedic physician. Easing up on a knee can lead to weakening of the leg and/or postural changes that will lead to other problems, such as back pain. We all will have our aches and pains at some time. How we deal with them will determine how long we can maintain our ability to continue training. Alex ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:21:15 +0100 Subject: eskrima: creaky knees We had this conversation recently with Guro Inosanto who when first experienced Silat was said to have commented that it looked bad to his students knees. His instructor said that in Indonesia no one had bad knees as they stretched. The types of stances stretch the hips out and strengthen the tendons holding the knees. <> I had knee problems years ago and changed away from flick in the air type kicks to the thai/fma/bando style kick. Then I had my knee blow out in judo as the way I walk meant that I was over pronating. We had this discussion a few months ago and would recommend shoe inserts and not to rely on manufacturing advertising techniques by buying fashion training shoes. I am an asics man nowaday - bye bye swoosh. Crafty is correct with his hips message. I wish id kept up some of those types of katas which looked stupid but would have given the body a good stretch and wholesome service! I cant get a decent yoga class to work yet but am stretching more than I have done for years. pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group Web site * www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan Broster" Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:28:07 GMT Subject: eskrima: creaky knees At the age of 28 I was beginning to feel that my body was going to give out on me, especially my left knee, which I bent backward playing rugby league and my back which was permanently painful. Then I discovered squatting, backbridging and cold showers. I now do some squats (no weights) (about 100 reps) most days as well as some bridging a couple of times a week. I also turn the shower cold every time before I get out. I have suggested this approach to a few friends (judo players) who were beginning to develope back problems, as well as my step mother who is the most unfit couch potato I know. They have all reported a total cure to their aches and pains. For more on this type of stuff check out Matt Furey: http://www ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 21 Jul 00 08:10:40 CDT Subject: eskrima: Knees, shoulders, hips, elbows, spines, etc. In the past I've contributed some lenghty prescriptions for prevention of unnecessary training wear. I wasn't working so much then :-) Suffice it to say that we must prepare the body adequately before activity. I don't mean stretching ... stretching is most appropriate AFTER activity. Preparation for activity should include mobilization of all of the joints through all of their ranges of motion to spread the synovial fluid around. This is different from, but can be integral to "warming up." Mobilization, limbering ... on a regular basis this will prevent most joint problems ... and will help to correct some before they get too bad or irreversible. Arthritis and degenerative joint disease, no fun! I remember a guy in D.C. who was known as Kung Fu Joe ... bad muthah ... but always charged right into his Shaolin without going through the good old Temple Exercises. His knees were gone before long and he went from a glowering mean-faced obvious danger to a very "apprehensive" fella in no time. Good training must include how to take care of your machine. Make a habit of moving all your joints around systematically before EVERY training session. I do this every morning as soon as I open my eyes and before I do ANYthing else. At 48 I've been at it since 15 and have no joint problems, have trained 7 days a week up to 8 hours a day in some periods of my simple life. Now I train a couple of hours a day two times a week, up to 5 hours straight on Saturdays. All joints OK. Limbering and mobilization in warmup preactivity. Limbering, mobilization and stretching postactivity [stretching in preactivity phase can degrade the speed of reflex actions and increase the likelihood of injury]. Do that "religiously" and you'll last. One master used to laugh at me, said "Mastuh Keenan, how long it take you to warmup? Hah-hah-hah!" Yah, like ... I'm an Old Man, eh? In the next week he was asking me how to fix his neck :-) and he and his students were mimicking my ways. I didn't laugh but it was FUNNY. Ain't nuthin' new. Be well, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 9:00:35 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #355 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.