From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #357 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 22 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 357 In this issue: eskrima: Intentions & Suggestions eskrima: FMA in Victoria eskrima: Re: MA in Buddhism eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:19:00 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Intentions & Suggestions A Howl etc: Mik wrote: > be careful re: advice that you follow regarding any aspect of your health. It > doesn't take a Ph.D. to realize that someone can be a relative expert in > something and not really know squat about something else, meanwhile giving out > advice on everything. You can do all the yoga you want, lift all the weights > that you want and still have crappy knees. First you must ID the real > problem. It is "blind" to accept advice given in the blind, i.e., advice > given without diagnosis. If your problem is chondromalacia patellae, > weightlifting as an immediate answer may do more harm than good ... the issue > is not quad strength, hip whatever, glutes or a hamstring no matter how good > it may sound. The issue starts with insufficient lubrication beneath the > patella before engaging in demanding activity and/or excessive demands (like > "spinning"). Problems with alignment may not involve the hips or any > musculature which crosses them ... said problems may begin with the feet or > HEY, your SHOES. Follow someone's advice when they don't know the details of > what you "present" and/or they have no trained expertise in dealing with said > presentation and you may hurt yourself. This is not a case where just doing > something will correct the problem. My concern here is for the case where the > issue is chondromalacia because some of the responses provide suggestions > which may cause more damage rather than relief. Get a solid Dx before you Rx > my friend. diagnosis for cause before considering any treatment. The smarter > way to fly. > > No offense intended towards anyone who provided responses by the way. I've > studied and taught yoga, martial arts, etc. for 30 years. I've also done > doctoral work in 3 fields. Just encouraging our colleague to find out the > exact nature of the problem before trying to answer it. Following some folks' > advice might yield a lucky success, or a disappointing hurt ... then the > well-intentioned will have caused him damage. To refresh memories, what I wrote was: QUOTE: Concerning the question on creaky knees: Try this on for size and see if it helps-- KNEES ARE ESCAPE VALVES FOR HIPS. If your hips are tight, your knees get overworked. Properly performed weightlifting certainly can help and is a part of my solution. Look into stretching your hip rotators as well as hip flexors, and strengthening the peak contraction of the glutes and the head of the hamstring that crosses the hip joint. ENDQUOTE: I fail to see how that suggesting that someone consider the idea that the cause of knee problems might be in tight hips constitutes making a Rx without a Dx anymore than correctly bringing up the fact that the problem might as well be in the feet/shoes. My comment about (properly performed) weightlifting is in the context of solving tight hips, not a suggestion to weight lift regardless of the nature of the problem. And a "disappointing hurt" resulting from a suggestion to "look into stretching" the hips? C'mon! I have above average experience with knee problems BTW. My left ACL, PCL and Lateral Collateral ligaments were snapped in half when I was 40 years old and replaced by tendons from cadavers over the course of three surgeries. The doctor and the physical therapist told me that the most I could hope for was "maybe a light game of tennis, and certainly to be able to walk without problem." I think I've done a bit better than that and have learned along the way. Someone asked the list for thoughts as to what the problem might be, and based upon what I have learned from my experiences, I offered mine. He (sorry I forget the name-- I read the post when I was on the road and so it is in my laptop) may not have parts of three doctorates to his credit, but I think you "well-intentionally" confuse him with a sheep. Crafty ------------------------------ From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:22:21 -0700 Subject: eskrima: FMA in Victoria For Branwen Thomas: The only club in Victoria I know of is Villasin Balintawak, run by Guro Michael Zimmer, tel. 250-598-3306. The e-mail is NB this info may be out of date now. Michael Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: William Upton-Knittle Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:38:42 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: MA in Buddhism At 09:52 AM 7/17/00 -0400, you wrote: >Fighting arts are actually FORBIDDEN to be practised or studied in the >monasteries! Sorry guys, for letting you down. It is Buddhist law. >There is what is called the Disciple Master in every monastery in the >old days and he sees to this. If you are caught, you may be expelled >immediately if 'he has got it against you'. Most of your article is right on target. However, there is no specific vow (of the more than 550 we monks take) against the practice of martial arts. I have taught them for years as a means of exercise, concentration, etc. It is the vow of not harming a sentient being you are probably referring to......and, of course, to USE these techniques can be injurious and thus a violation of the vow. Most Asian monks, however, are in the monastery for reasons other than learning martial arts....and that also goes for those in Western practice. b (Ven. Dr. An Tzu; Thich An Tri) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 15:44:07 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #357 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.