From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #362 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 26 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 362 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #355 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #359 eskrima: Two on one sparring eskrima: IMAF Cacoy Seminar - follow up eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:12:10 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #355 loki writes: << I've been thinking about two-on-two stick fighting lately. I've tried two-on-two knife at my last two Gatherings and it was a very interesting fight. But now I'm starting get serious about the prospect of two-on-two with a stick. The stakes are clearly higher. But what could be more to the point? *Is* it really that crazy? Has anyone tried it? At the Gathering or otherwise? >> at the I academy (which i am no longer a part of) we spared two on one and two on two, with "soft sticks" and trained one vs. many (sometimes 2, sometimes more) with only stck to stick contact - which taught real time strategy when facing many opppents - basically - the therory is never allow yourself to be in the middle of your oppenants. "take one out" while you can, then worry about the other, after you've despensed with the first. and conversly if your the attacker(s) - try to keep your pray in the center - betwwen you and your partner - training like this really tests your cardio - steve ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:05:46 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #359 > > From: Mikal Keenan > Date: 24 Jul 00 08:31:55 CDT > Subject: eskrima: Knees no more > > Yo Crafty Mon... > Don't take personally or consider directed at you what was offered as a > "wake-up" in response to many offers of advice, , , Glad to learn I misunderstood. > The important thing is that our colleague(s) should get well-informed > professional advice. IMO that's -the- only important thing in this thread. > > Does anyone have experience with ligament repair using synthetic materials? > Lo-o-o'ong time ago I read about a group in Washington state that was using > Goretex ligament replacements to put athletes back into the game sooner. > Anyone heard anything about or had any experience with that? I've noticed a > few comments here re: experience with repairs made with cadaver ligaments ... > but have never seen any comments on the use of other materials. I remember my doctor mentioning this (this was October 1992-- things do change rapidly-- at least as long as the Govt. isn't in charge) and he said he wasn't suitable in my case because of the degree of damage, ditto allografts. > Also, Crafty ... forgot to say "way to go" for defying/debunking the opinions > of those "experts" ... exactly my point, very much akin to my earlier > comments. BTW, my comment on doctoral study, teaching yoga/martial arts, etc. > was to say that as informed as I might imagine myself to be :-) I do not > criticize others' suggestions re: yoga, weightlifting, whatever ... just > wanted to reinforce the suggestion that accurate diagnosis is first and > foremost in dealing with any problem: gotta solve what needs to be solved, > not what we think needs to be solved > What I was encouraging was the avoidance of a haphazard approach. Identify > the true nature of the problem. > Identify an appropriate and effective answer. > Apply the answer until you reach its logical conclusion. > A fitting approach to many things in life :-) My experience is that when experts have a hammer, everything tends to look like a nail. Surgeons tend to recommend surgery, Chiropractors tend to recommend adjustments, etc. From all the doctors (including specialists) and chiropractors who I have had look at me I have yet to hear "well-informed professional advice"as simply eloquent and useful as a yoga teacher's "Knees are escape valves for hips". The experts almost always suggest what they are expert in. Thus, from my perspective it makes perfect sense for a laymen to confer with non-professionals as well. Thus one learns of the existence of not only hammers and nails, but also screwdrivers and screws, and wrenches and nuts, etc. My yoga teacher wasn't a medical professional, but her thought gave me a very very useful way of looking at things that no "professional" ever did. Identifying the "true nature of the problem" sounds reasonable, but what if one expert says a bulging disc is the problem and therefore surgery is the solution, and another says the disc is bulging because of muscles compressing the vertebrae and there fore stretching and muscular rebalancing is the solution? One sees the disc as the problem, the other sees it as a symptom. What is Truth? Sometimes, when things are too far along, ya gotta go with the surgeon, but IMHO it helps if you go into your dealing with the "experts" knowing of various perspectives. My doctor and first physical therapist, "well informed professionals" both, told me I was finished. The doctor was like a good auto mechanic and did the surgeries. What he thought didn't matter. The PT I fired. Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Speaking of surgeries, a joke: A lawyer is waking up from a surgery and all the shades in the room are pulled down. He asks the doctor why. "Oh," says the doc, "The building across the street is on fire and we didn't want you to think the operation had been a failure." ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:21:42 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Two on one sparring RE: Two vs. One. I like to include two on one sparring sessions mostly at my longer camps, but will get into it with any experienced sparring group. For safety I try to even things up a bit when I pair people up, i.e. a heavyweight vs. two middle weights or an advanced student vs. two intermediates. Two on one sparring helps in several ways: 1. It helps reduce tunnel vision (a biggie!). 2. It helps aggressiveness. 3. It improves footwork. They are only stills, but you can see some photos of some two on one stick sparring from the 1996 Pekiti-Tirsia camp in Ashokan, NY at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/96SUMMERCAMP.htm Click to enlarge the photo that is on the bottom row, second from the end on the right, to see the sparring photos. If you want to keep it combat relevant, it helps to mix up the weapons as well (stick vs. two guys with knives, one knife man and one stick man vs. one knife man, etc). Funny story: At my Pekiti seminars we usually work under the assumption that the multiple opponents are the "bad guys" and the single man is the "good guy" (in my LEO seminars I have them train from both sides, one vs. two and as two vs. one). Anyway, at one knife seminar a few years ago, one of the "bad guys" was a guy we call "Big Steve." Apt nickname. I have seen Steve squat 800 lbs for reps (he now writes a regular column called "Practical Strength" for the my newsletter). The good guy did the smart thing and tried to keep the smaller bad guy between himself and Steve while they sparred. Steve got tired of this, so he pushed his "partner" into the good guy and pinned them both to a wall with one hand while he stabbed the good guy with his free hand. After the gear came off the good guy said, "Hey, you know that move got your partner killed." To which Steve replied; "Well, I'm a bad guy. I got no loyalty." RE: Team vs. Team. In Pekiti there are a few team vs. team drills, usually based on a team of three. You can fight as a wedge, keeping the lead man or changing leads. The wedge formation is also something we use in police crowd control (riot) training. In Penchak there is a concept I learned as "Husband and wife fighting" but could be applied to any two person team composed of fighters of different fighting abilities. The "husband" did most of the fighting, while the "wife" watched his back. Partially disabled opponents were passed to the wife for a finishing move with a blade. Guro Omar Hakim told me of the Sikh art of "Gutga" (sp?) He said that they fight in a double ring, one ring moving one direction and the inner ring moving in the opposite. On a verbal signal the rings would change direction. When fighting the outer ring, an opponent would find that his attention would be drawn to the man in front of him. As this man moved, the instinct would be to follow him which would expose you to the man next to him. As the men in the outer ring are wounded, they are replaced by men from the inner ring. Cool stuff. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com ------------------------------ From: "Don Edwards" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 03:22:10 GMT Subject: eskrima: IMAF Cacoy Seminar - follow up Just a note to say that GM Cacoy's seminar in Livingston NJ this past Sunday was a great success... We had a small group but the GM was in great form... Eskrido drills especially were excellent and the group loved him.. If you get a chance to see him before he returns to the Philippines definitely do it! Don Edwards Integrated Martial Arts & Fitness Livingston NJ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 6:31:26 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #362 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.