From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #365 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 28 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 365 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Two-on-one Stickfighting/Sayoc Blade/Edges2 eskrima: AWSDA Conference Night Out eskrima: Krabi-Krabong at the Oregon Thai Camp eskrima: Re: History eskrima: New Class at Inosanto Academy: eskrima: 10 Datus from Borneo eskrima: Boxing historians eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chad Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Two-on-one Stickfighting/Sayoc Blade/Edges2 Had some fun touching basis on two-on-one and three-on-one stickfighting yesterday. Not full contact-no closing-no headshots, but I was going for hands and legs. We set it up for Sunday. Two-on-one first, not sure about three-on-one, though. Will let everyone know how it went and maybe put a little vid up on the site, too. Joe-we will have some technique sequences up on the site soon and being that I like the taste of "Silat" type take downs/sweeps, maybe we can slide a few in there-maybe a vid also. Has anyone bought a Sayoc Training Sword from Edges2 yet? Looks nice. They also have a Ginunting coming out in August. I just e-mailed the guy asking if they could either do a custom one for me or make a regular one of their inventory. The pic of the ginunting is not up at their site, but it looks like the blade that GT Leo Gaje Jr. uses in contradas with the finger guard, except it doesn't have the finger guard. I asked if they could do one with the finger guard. If anyone else is interested maybe you guys should let them know, even if they don't make it a regular, if we get enough people to order that type of blade, he might give a discount on it. Can e-mail me if you are interested and I will try and coordinate somthing...unless someone on the post is a friend with the guys that do the work. Take Care, ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:42:47 EDT Subject: eskrima: AWSDA Conference Night Out In the beginning of August, Seattle will host the American Women's Self Defense Association annual conference. This post is for all who plan on attending. Attention all AWSDA Attendees: One night during the conference, a bunch of us will be going out for a night on the town. There is one little hitch however... we will all be "Punk'd Out". This means leather, chains, spikes, wild hair, spandex, biker boots, fake (or real) tattoos, whatever-you-wouldn't-want-to-be-caught-dead-in. The goal is to party til we drop at the local dance clubs. We will shoot for either walking distance clubs or have a designated driver. The only rule for the night: We go out together, we come back together. Hope y'all can make it. Bring your best outrageous outfit. I might even have a few spare chains and bandanas if your wardrobe is lacking. Please email me if you are interested... we're trying to get a headcount. Meghan PS Hope you stop by and check out my "Defending With a Knife" class. PPS We will also be holding an "impromptu" Underwater Self Defense class in the hotel pool during the conference. Details will be at check in. Meghan Gardner Guard Up, Inc. www.GuardUp.com "Carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket at all times." me ------------------------------ From: Terry Tippie Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:39:11 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Krabi-Krabong at the Oregon Thai Camp Lt. Col. Nattapong Buayan, Kabri-Kabrong Master of the Thai army, taught Krabi-Krabong every day this year at the Oregon camp during the early afternoon. I guess he is on the staff of the King and has trained most of the senior staff of the army. In addition, he regularly trains the Queen and is active in the protection of the royal family. Lt. Col. Nattapong worked us hard one some double sword combinations. The training is highly aerobic because you are hitting so hard and moving around at a near running-type pace. I guess a lot of it comes out of exhaustion whereby they tie the swords to their hands and fight till they drop. The footwork and body mechanics help generate power in the blows even after your hands and arms are too tired to hold the sword. A lot of the students were FMA trained, and he made it a point to stress that due to the force which the Thais hit that you need to extend your blocks farther away from your body. He also did some work with the staff and Mai-Sok, which was very cool. Lt. Col. Nattapong's Wai Kru seems to be much simpler than that taught at the Buddhai Swan school. Guro Inosanto commented, "Yeah, he's a fighter. Very direct." Given that there are 12 Wai Kru to learn--one for each weapon for each Thailand and Burma--a simple approach to Wai Kru would have a big impact on how training time is used. On the last day of the camp we staged a battle, 25 on 25, between the women and men of the TBA. Then we did another 50 on 50 battle. We squared off in two lines, one at each end of the field and charged, screaming our best battle cry as we charged into battle. Ajarn Nattapong blew would occasionally blow a whistle and we would have to change opponents. At any rate, it was lots of fun and a MASSIVE adrenaline rush. (And a welcome change from the grueling 45 minute plum sparring sessions we would do twice a day after our 20-30 rounds--morning and afternoon--on the Thai pads.) Anyway, if you want to check out the fun I'll put some video clips in .MPG format up on the Thai Boxing Association web page: http://www.thaiboxing.com. Lt. Col. Nattapong will be at the Inosanto Academy in Los Angeles all next week teaching seminars on Tuesday and Thursday evenings. I guess he is thinking of staying in California until January in an attempt to learn English--which would be great. He's an awesome guy. Cheers, Terry Tippie Thai Boxing Association of the USA & Fairtex Muay Thai Camp San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:11:16 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: History In a message dated 7/19/00 4:41:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Martial practices of African, Persian, Indian and other peoples no doubt had their influences on each other and it don't take no Ph.D. to consider that given Vajra Mushti and Kalari Payyat in Southern India, elements of those approaches to fighting found their way into the area that we call Indonesia and the Phillipines along with the peoples who travelled that way via and/or from Southern India. I wonder, is it possible that there is a connection btwn the name of Kalari Payyat and Kali? >> >>end snip No doubt I'd say too. There where Hindu or so-called "Indianized" throughout SE asia. Earliest I am aware of being documented in Indonesia is in the 5th century on Java. Recent archaeological evidence establishes the first Srivijaya capital being at Palembang in south Sumatra in the 7th to 8th century. There's also Angor of the Khmers and the Champa or Chams in Vietnam. (The Chams followed Hinduism until most converted to Islam in the 17th century.) Buddhism is also known to have been established in Indonesian as early as the 5th century also. Islam had had established in southern China not long after being founded in the seventh century. An early moslem tombstones from eastern Java dates from the 11th century. Trade and it's control along with Buddhism and Islam, both be missionary religions, probably had alot to do with fostering travel. People brought their religion and culture with them it only follows their martial arts came too. There are excercises in Silat that are very much the same as in Kalari Payattu. Check out the picture the posture with crossed hands in Dan Inosanto's "the Filipino Martial arts' on page 33 of the Villabrille orascion and The Journal of Asian Martial Arts Vol 3 No3 with picture of Vasu Gurukkal (with crossed hands) "praticing higher mediation techniques.." including the repetition of a mantra. Easy brushed of as happenstance ...or maybe some connection however far removed.... Anyway also check out Click here: Pak O'ong Maryono's Message Board Pak O'ong Maryono's recently put out an informative post on the Majaphit empire. Also there been a book published early this year "Southeast Asia - A Concise History" by Mary Somers Heidhues which gives a decent general overview but IMO with particular attention to Vietnam, Cambodia and Indonesia... it's weak on the Philippines' history. Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:17:10 -0700 Subject: eskrima: New Class at Inosanto Academy: A Howl of Greeting to All: I will be teaching a class on Saturdays at the Inosanto Academy from 1:00 to 2:00. The starting date of the class has not yet been set. Woof, Guro Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: WEE Shin Hoe Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:07:18 +0800 Subject: eskrima: 10 Datus from Borneo I am from Borneo and this is the first time I've heard of 10 Datus from Borneo. Could anyone on this list give me more details on them. It would be interesting for me to find out more about them. Sincerely, S. H. Wee ------------------------------ From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 03:26:07 EDT Subject: eskrima: Boxing historians I am doing research on 19 & 20th century boxing, and I am looking for good resources on the history of boxing techniques & training. I have found a number of books but they are not as detailed as I am looking for. Is anyone aware of websites or any persons who would be considered boxing historians that I could contact. Thanks Sid ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 7:10:26 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #365 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.