From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #368 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 30 July 2000 Vol 07 : Num 368 In this issue: eskrima: Re: headgear eskrima: headgear Subject: eskrima: headgear eskrima: Head protection eskrima: www.fullcontacthi.com eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chad Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: headgear Uhhh, here you go Nick...free plug. Kombat Instruments, Limited at http://www.bloodsport.com has a very good mask that is not too light and not too hard for a beginner fighter. We also have a Equipment Review up on our web site at www.fullcontacthi.com . BTW, they also have some good sticks if you're interested. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:42:41 EDT Subject: eskrima: headgear Looking for head gear? Try bloodsport.com they may be able to help you. Barry ------------------------------ From: "Don Edwards" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:07:43 GMT Subject: Subject: eskrima: headgear Re Eskrima head gear.. depends on the level and type of sparring but for my class practice and especially someone new to stickfighting we use WEKAF style head gear ... good protection and made to get hit by a stick! .. lighter head gear (fencing etc) is appropriate as the fighter's skills progresses...a good source of WEKAF style head gear on the East Coast is Master Dong Cuesta..if interested email me and I'll send you his info.. Regards, Don Edwards ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Graham Jamieson" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:31:35 BST Subject: eskrima: Head protection Steve I haven't seen street hockey masks but I have used both a Sabre mask (heavier than the masks used with foils) and the Koshiki full contact karate (fish bowl) type head gear for full contact stick sparring. I also worked 6 months in A&E in a major public hospital on a neuroscience research project into head injuries recently. Being bedside with patients and their families when they receive the news that they will probably be paralysed from the neck down gives you a whole different perspective on acceptable levels of risk. My view is that it is self defeating to adopt either equipment or sparring practices in which concussion or other serious head injury are statistically likely in the long term. Broken bones usually mend but nerve cells usually don't. This places head injury in a whole other category to broken arms or broken ribs, serious though they are. As you note with the hockey masks certain types of accidents are predictable in the long term. Fencing masks move around on the head and this creates all sorts of potential problems. I would recommend the heavy sabre mask with light protective headgear underneath. I don't know what is available where you are but Rugby League and Rugby Union players may opt to wear light weight head protection , kind of like a boxers headgear only much thinner and of relatively high tech shock absorbent material. They don't obscure peripheral vision. That's what I am suggesting should be added underneath the sabre mask. Cheap and headprotection don't relly seem to go together unfortunately. Obtaining second hand sabre masks from the local fencing club is the only reasonble cost saving suggestion I can make. I would be wary of full contact thrusts to the head even with the mask. Despite a built in throat guard I have seen them accidentally slip in from underneath or the side, particularly from the standing grapple. Over the long term anything that can go wrong will go wrong. I believe we must accept responsibility for acting in light of this knowledge. Eg for having first aid training and established contingency plans for responding to various types of injury. For me at least head thrusts in full contact sparring are in the too dangerous category. I wonder what other peoples experiences are with this? I have tried to get around this somewhat by using the masks to practice sparring type drills with controlled contact thrusts to the head. I would suggest progressively testing any new protective sparring equipment from relatively safe and controlled contact drills to ever more demanding exercises up to full contact sparring. This maximizes your chance of spotting and avoiding potentially serious risks without having to get injured first. Graham Jamieson Black Eagle Arnis-Eskrima ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: www.fullcontacthi.com Some new articles up on the web site-Progressions in Sparring Part II is one of them, and a few others, including Datu's corner. Just click on "Recently Updated" on the front page. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! 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