From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #373 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 1 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 373 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Punk'd out/fighting clothes eskrima: blade preference eskrima: Re: "Swivel Hips" eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #371 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #372 eskrima: Re: Blade Preference [none] eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #371 eskrima: yet more on CSE eskrima: more Serrada eskrima: blades eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:54:32 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Re: Punk'd out/fighting clothes (I can't remember who wrote it...Meghan, I think? ) > << be going out for a night on the town. There is one little hitch however... we > will all be "Punk'd Out". This means leather, chains, spikes, wild hair, > spandex, biker boots, fake (or real) tattoos, > whatever-you-wouldn't-want-to-be-caught-dead-in.>>> I'm sure you don't mean this in a negative way to those of us who *do* dress like this ;D actually, I gave up the leather & biker boots, but I still have tattoos, Docs, will live in spandex leggings til I die (not the icky shiny fluorescent stuff though!), and my hair, while "normal" style, *is* currently streaked with a nice midnight blue...seriously :D I wouldn't be caught dead in a polo shirt and three-quarter length skirt...but that's just me :D Actually, when we discuss real life scenarios in class, we often discuss the fact that if grabbed in the street eg., you (probably) wouldn't be wearing your training clothes. Most of the guys would probably be wearing jeans, and since it's Newfoundland, large boots of some sort. Since I wear leggings summer & winter (you layer them in winter ;), my "training" clothes are very similar to, and as comfortable as , my "street" clothes. I also have a traditional Filipino sarong gifted to me by my Sifu; I haven't gotten the hang of wearing it, and indeed am not even sure if girls should wear them historically speaking, so any suggestions on how to wrap them etc would be appreciated. I know that you can use them as weapons, even, although in my inexperience I will stick to sticks, limbs, and purse or shoe. Respects, Jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: "Michael Kitchen" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:19:14 -0400 Subject: eskrima: blade preference > > From: Kjowers194@cs.com > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:20:17 EDT > Subject: eskrima: blade preference > > On a matter of personal flavor, what are the favorite blade type / knife > designs of the ED'ers? My personal favorite is the recurved edge (Benchmade > Delta Raider, Walter Brend designs ). I have a custom bladesmith working on > one right now. Looks good on paper, my wallet hopes it looks good firsthand. > My second favorite is the tanto design. I like the drop point tanto a lot, > but generally carry the Cold Steel Kobun in serrated. > Input? > I have Benchmade 710 with the axis lock. Like the credit card comercial says, "..don't leave home without it." I take it everywhere and find use (non-escrima) for it several times a day ... even as a geek-type office worker. BTW, for those of you in the US, the web site http://www.nolo.com/ can help you research your states' laws regarding knife carry and stuff. v/r, Michael Kitchen student of Guro Cucci ------------------------------ From: Buz Grover Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:13:34 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: "Swivel Hips" Tuhon Bill writes: "I guess you haven't been to one of my seminars. My wife tells me the real reason I do seminars is because she won't let me play that music at home." I reply: Heheh. As long as we don't have to spell out Y-M-C-A with our sticks while training to the Village People you can sign me up next time you are in the DC area. Best regards, Buz Grover ------------------------------ From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:40:33 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #371 << My questions are: Are Fillipino martial arts still evolving and adapting? >> I personally believe that they must continue to adapt to the environment. Conditions in the U.S. are different than the conditions in the Philippines. What the Eskrimadors of a hundred or two hundred years ago had to deal with are a little different than what we may have to deal with. So I have shifted the emphasis on some of my training. One of the areas that we have to be concerned about is the legalities of what we do. I always try to explain to the students that some of the moves if taken to their conclusions will most likely bring about legal problems. Your initial confrontation often pales in comparison to the battle that will occur in the criminal justice system. Even when I train people from various military units I always try to point out that they can use this on the battlefield but if they use some of the moves on the street they are risking a serious legal battle. The student's ability to protect themselves has remained and always will be my primary focus. However I believe that the instructor has a duty to discuss the legal implications of having to defend yourself. Another area in which I have adapted to the current environment is firearms. I believe that a martial artists should take advantage of any weapon that is available, therefore firearms training is a required part of my curriculum. I will train the student in firearms usage but in all honesty there are a number of excellent firearms training schools out there and I encourage them to take advantage of the available training. Plus I am sure that the students get tired of hearing me preach and a fresh outlook on things never hurts. I use to do about a fifty-fifty mix of knife to knife and knife to empty hand. Due to my and other's research I concentrate a lot more on the knife to empty hand scenario. I still retain a good deal of live blade training in this and other training scenarios. I also encourage the students to practice drawing their knives and being able to get them into play. But for the most part most of the blade training is knife to empty hand and usually in an ambush type scenario. I also have the students practice various visual awareness scenarios to help them identify possible knife wielders. Once I get my next school set up I will have various environmental training areas set up in the school. This will include a restaurant/bar type area. A dark street with numerous obstacles area. A home type area and and an office area and others. I love training in the backyard and the woods and even in a nice well lit training area. However most attacks don't occur in these areas so I will try to make the environment more similar to the places that attacks occur. I have retained the full contact aspect of the training that I was introduced to when I began training. I have also increased the amount of time that I spend attacking my students with such implements as 2x4s, baseball bats, tire irons and other such implements. Well, that's it for now. I have made other changes but will post them some other time. Take care, Rob ------------------------------ From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:58:22 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #372 << On a matter of personal flavor, what are the favorite blade type / knife designs of the ED'ers? >> In the folder area I carry a Chris Reeve small Sebenza. I have a number of knives but this is the one that gets carried daily. In the non folder area I carry my own knives. I am a beginning knife maker so I am constantly researching different designs but I do not currently make folders. I carry the Sebenza for a number of reasons. The knife is innocuous looking and so far hasn't caused any raised eyebrows whenever I travel. The blade length is well within the vast majority of laws as pertains to carrying the knife. I recently was reading a number of posts about what individuals carry on another board. I was amazed at some of the responses and attitudes about which knife you should carry. There were a number of replies about how the individual didn't care what the laws were, they were going to carry whatever knife they wanted. I do agree with their premise that your safety and well being is the primary concern but why complicate matters by carrying an illegal knife. I love balisongs and own a number of them but I don't carry them. I have a number of double edged blades but I don't carry them. If you should have to defend yourself, carrying an illegal knife won't help your defense. We in the FMAs have always prided ourselves on our ability to use whatever is available. Individuals that are trained should be able to use a variety of knife types and designs. As I stated before, why complicate matters by carrying an illegal knife? Take care, Rob. ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:02:52 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Blade Preference My favorite blade shapes are: Clip point bowie shapes with 7" to 9" blades(KA-BAR, Randall, etc.) Barong Bolo Kelvin Williams ------------------------------ From: "AUSTIN3_16" Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 09:42:59 -0800 Subject: [none] Does anyone know where I can actually see a class or demonstration on Serrada, somewhere in California, preferably, the Bay Area ? EJ +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The coolest site for free home pages, email, chat, e-cards, movie info.. | | http://www.goplay.com - it's time to Go Play! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: "AUSTIN3_16" Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 09:39:34 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #371 Okay, so then is serrada a family style or not ? If so, then the question I would have for that is, why are other people learning it ? I was always under the assumption that family styles were kept within the family. If it's not a family style, should I assume that Vincent's knowledge of serrada is without question ? Again, I'm only wondering because some of it seems confusing, such as the reason for my questions. As for Angel's wish of Vincent being named the "Grandmaster" of serrada, is their any sort of documentation or source that verifies this ? EJ >From: Ray Terry >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:45:31 PDT >Subject: eskrima: GM Vincent and Angel > >> I guess I'm fairly new to this, because I wasn't aware of some of >> this. So now I'm also wondering how Vincent Cabales obtained the >> title of Grandmaster. Anyone with any info ? > >The acknowledged head of a system, esp a family system, is its Grandmaster. >GM Vincent is the acknowledged head of Cabales Serrada Escrima. This was >Angel's wish, which he publically expressed, and is accepted by all those >that honor Angel and his art of Cabales Serrada Escrima. > >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > >------------------------------ +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The coolest site for free home pages, email, chat, e-cards, movie info.. | | http://www.goplay.com - it's time to Go Play! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:43:21 PDT Subject: eskrima: yet more on CSE > Okay, so then is serrada a family style or not ? - -Cabales- Serrada Escrima is a family style that is openly taught. Angel was the first in the US to do that, and thus a pioneer. > my questions. As for Angel's wish of Vincent being named > the "Grandmaster" of serrada, is their any sort of documentation or > source that verifies this ? Sure, any of those that trained with Angel prior to his death or spoke with him on this matter. He made it very clear, no question. Time to move on now. Okay? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:45:02 PDT Subject: eskrima: more Serrada > Does anyone know where I can actually see a class or demonstration on > Serrada, somewhere in California, preferably, the Bay Area ? Guro Jason Inay is a frequent contributor to this forum. You can visit one of his classes, with his permission, to see Inayan Serrada. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:51:23 PDT Subject: eskrima: blades My favorite is my Pat Crawford 'Kasper' folder. Well, it is my favorite knife, but not to carry all the time. It is of a rather heavy construction. For the last year I've been carrying a Kershaw Whirlwind and an Al Mar cigar cutter knife with an exceptionally sharp 1.5" blade (tanto style) as backup. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:55:21 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #373 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.