From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #376 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 2 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 376 In this issue: eskrima: Boxer Not a Fighter eskrima: Re: Blade Preference eskrima: Re: Teacher, technician, fighter eskrima: Re: good technician/good fighter eskrima: Re: technician/fighter eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mikal Keenan Date: 2 Aug 00 08:49:47 CDT Subject: eskrima: Boxer Not a Fighter > someone is gonna try to say that a boxer isn't a fighter. > Not sure where to begin with someone like that.?.?. Tell them to go fight a boxer :-) Don't have to be a great boxer to kill someone with boxing techniques. ... so you could say, a boxer is a potential killer just like any other fighter ... oops, but a boxer ain't a fighter :-) Yeah, right ... my father was a boxer, fought in the CCC camps of the Depression era. A relative got knifed and my father went after the knifer, did not take knife or gun ... just my oldest brother ... just a coupla fighters, er, boxers. Oldest brother, big guy, tumbler, had a back-alley reputation for one punch knockouts ... like BAM, baby ... put dem down. I know of a guy who used boxers to weed people out of his martial "arts" training club. :-) Meetahkeeyo-ah-say [We are all the same people - Lakota] Be well, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:16:21 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Blade Preference > My favorite blade shapes are: > > Clip point bowie shapes with 7" to 9" blades(KA-BAR, Randall, etc.) > Barong > Bolo Oh, if you're are talking about legal carry knives...Benchmade AFCK, or CRKT Crawford/Kasper, or Spyderco Endura II. Kelvin Williams ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:42:40 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Teacher, technician, fighter There are people who are great fighters without a hell of a lot of natural skill. Rocky Marciano didn't have the best boxing skills in the world. But he had strength, terrifying power, and an almost supernatural toughness - natural gifts that nobody could stand against. I don't know that those can be taught. There are also people with excellent technical skills who don't have great gifts. Or their understanding exceeds their ability to pull it off. Then there are teachers. Teaching is a complicated skill. There are some people who have a natural ability for it. There are others who acquire the skill with practice. Of course you need a grasp of the material in order to teach it, but beyond that it has very little to do with being a great fighter. Todd ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: good technician/good fighter >>What he is stating is, if you can't do it then your knowledge is not >>valid/realistic. I don't quite remember those exact words, but I think his point was more along the lines of trying it out. Matt is a really blunt person who believes in what he believes, speaks about it, and just don't give a damn about what you think. It took me some thinking, but it seems to me that Matt has captured the whole idea of JKD. Sometimes people get so caught up in saying "Bruce Lee said to explore, so we should study this and study that"-which is not wrong by any means, and I agree that one must capture the essence of what one is looking for, but don't you think there is a time, when one must start to shed the unnecessary? Don't you think that once one can begin to realize this, shed the unnecessary, and train more efficiently the little amounts of effectiveness, then all else will fall into place. Meaning that if you can discover exactly what works for you today, you will become a more effective fighter today-if that is what you want to become. Do you think that BL would be spending all of his time in the gym practicing, doing drills, doing sayaws, etc. Don't get me wrong, I have done them all,and they carry there importance. Now back to valid/realistic knowledge. Just because you can't make something work in full contact, doesn't mean that it doesn't work. It just menas that you didn't make it work. I know that for a fact many things do work, because I have done it. But I also know that it took me fighting to make these things work. I also know people who knew that there "stuff" works, but the first time(more than a few) it didn't. They couldn't make it work until they could understand the stick in motion. Once they understood it, they obviously became better technicians. Now Stuart isn't the greatest teacher as far as teaching someone slowly, the correct movement and the body mechanics of how to do somthing. And he isn't the greatest technician as far as having pretty techniques, but he has something that I respect and admire alot more. The ability to fight. Therefore I do appreciate his body mechanics, and when he does something, it may not be a pretty technique, but it is a flawless execution of an effective technique, and that is what makes it pretty. Still waiting for Doc Fung to jump in on this one;). ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: technician/fighter Stone wrote: >>It's a perspective that ignores the factor of time. As you get >>older, your body slows down, doesn't heal quite so well, etc etc >>etc... It completely disregards factors such as wisdom and >>experience. Chad writes: I think that Crafty writes some very good points on training for the stage that you are at, ex: How he used to train(or still does?), how Dan Inosanto trains, and GT Leo Gaje Jr. trains-at the three different ages in life. I ma now at my first level, being young and having the stamina/testostorone. I am at the level where I am gaining my "experience and wisdom". >>By taking Matt's position, Prof. Vee, an elderly man, had nothing to >>offer me, because he couldn't do it for "real", therefore his Tech. >>knowledge wasn't "authentic" or "usefull".... in essence to take it >>serious (the comment) would have been "insane". I would rather think >>that it would be "insane" to disregard experience like Prof. Vee's. If he couldn't do it for real, then how can we gain from his "experience. I don't know Prof. Vee or never trained with him, but if he had the experience, he knows what he is talking about, and I am not questioning him. I am not questioning the teachers or instructors either. I think what I am trying to do, is encourage students(and instructors can be students as well, for when we stop learning, we become no better) to look at themselves, and be honest with themselves. There is no disrespect to the Masters, GM, etc. They have paid their dues and I give them the utmost respect. But, I do feel that there are some instructors, Masters, GMs that have had the experience, and have reached such a high level of body mechanics, that they either forget or don't realize, that before some techniques were learned by themselves, and consequently when taught to or learned by the students, the students don't even have a basic understanding of the stick when we are learning "basics" that they had learned from fighting. 98% of people can throw a jab, cross, uppercut with the basic understanding of how the movements are and how the body moves. Why, because they have seen it done in movies, and have seen boxing matches on TV, the news, etc. Now how many people have actually seen a stickfight with no gear to the death? How many people have actually seen a sword fight to the death? Not many, but now that we have protective equipment, we can try to do these things a little closer to the realistic sense, if we choose to take it that far. For the record: The post was posted for a thought on what people think about Matt's interview, and does not necessarily represent my thinking at 100%. Hopefully though, people will be able to "take what is usefull, and reject what is not" for themselves without condemning. Also, BTW, I am not a great fighter, and I am not a teacher. I do like to stickfight, and am interested in being better than...oh, say Top Dog, and if I can give another fighter/MA a piece of advice that will make him a better fighter/person, I know that that will in turn make me a better fighter/person. Done. Ray, how's that for a nice thread/topic related to FMA(MA)? ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! 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