From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #377 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 3 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 377 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #375/SBG eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #375 eskrima: Fighters v. teachers eskrima: since I was invited.... eskrima: CO ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rob pugh Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #375/SBG E-D, Another quick comment on the fighter/technician thread. Most examples that are being given (Professor V., etc.) are of older men who no longer can "fight." But would you argue that these older people NEVER could fight? Perhaps a more valid statement would be, "How can you be a good technician when you have never been a fighter?". Fighting includes hard, realistic sparring, IMHO. Also for all those who point to age as a detriment to ability, I can only point to Dan Inosanto 62+ years old, Machado Black Belt, who still rolls and schools people half his age (and younger.) But I still believe if you're not a fighter, or have never been a fighter, then you don't know much about fighting. Oh yeah, and as to the basketball analogy, the best coaches (Phil Jackson as an example) were players. With respect, Rob Pugh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Kjowers194@cs.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:27:57 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #375 In a message dated 8/2/00 8:43:13 AM Central Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: From: "Daniel J. Pittman" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:35:39 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Favorite knife to Carry << I am looking for a folder that is a little bit longer for that extra "get you in there", if anyone has any suggestions. >> Try the Cold Steel extra large tanto voyager ; it has a 5" blade. It's tough as hell and the one I carry on duty. I've also heard good things about Round Eye Knife and Tool's (R.E.K.A.T.) Sifu model, but never had the chance to pick one up and play. Any info. on the Sifu from other members would be great! ------------------------------ From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:43:24 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Fighters v. teachers "Actually -most- folks that are great at anything are rarely able to be good, much less great, teachers. Sure, there are exceptions, but in general those with exceptional talent have a difficult time teaching their art/sport. Why? It was too easy for them to learn, it was natural, they didn't have to analyze it, it just happened for them. The best teachers are typically those that had to struggle to learn and master the material/art/sport." Amen to that! I do not qualify as a great anything, but, FWIW, here is my insight related to a different field of activity: My wife is a better golfer than me. Part of the reason is that every time she screws up on the field I am able to tell her why she screwed up fairly accurately. I am able to see her mistakes fairly clearly, the same way I can see them in other sports (I can fairly accurately determine why the boxers in my local club lose when I am attending the ringside, yet the same boxers would likely kick my posterior!)When I screw up, I just do not have a clue! When I put my swing on a video, I see exactly what I am doing wrong but I just do not "feel it". Unfortunately, my wife does not see things the way I do and little help is forthcoming. I have experimented with video for martial arts and found a large mirror installed in the basement very helpful. There is a huge discrepancy between what one thinks one is doing and what one actually does. I find that practising some moves in front of the mirror and then trying to repeat them by feel with one's eyes closed is of some help. Necessity is a mother of invention when there is no teacher available regularly! Like Ray, I attribute my ability to analyse other peoples' performance to the struggles one has had with one's own. Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:41:43 -0700 Subject: eskrima: since I was invited.... Chad wrote: <> Since I was invited here is my 2 cents. Yes and No! You need to pare everything down into the neat little package of timing rythum and sensitivity and deliver with telling effectiveness but you need to train all the BS inside outside and backwards so that when the condition arises you pull out the right tool and use it with effortless time rythum and sensitivity with telling effectiveness. That is how the really good guys make everything look so easy. Think back to the recent thread on the guy who posted about using the juk chung choi with silat sweeps. He was forcing technique trying to discover silat effetiveness via wing chun because he lacked the understanding of the silat entries which automatically work for the silat sweeps for which they are designed. Can you use the juk chung choi? You bet! But it is sure alot easier to use one set of wrenches to fix your car than it is to mix types until you are so good that you can use a hammer to drive a screw and screwdriver to drive a nail. <> I would add " at that point in time on that opponant under those environmental conditions" . Too many people think if their favorite rear c ross works on 90% of people it must be good. What happens when the 10% guy comes around and you end up on the floor? Valid realistic knowledge is more than sparring 100% with no gear. Like testing drugs you need "sample size" baby! There is no substitute for vast numbers of sparring partners reagrdless of ability or training styles. I actually think that this is more important than how hard you hit and get hit. Chad you are on the right track to self-discovery. Now what you need is vast numbers of partners that hit hard and a body that can take the abuse! Finally, you really grow when they hit you more than you hit them...OUCH! Well that was the way it was in the 70's and I totally believe it is "THE" training method if you survive it. Many years ago (1986ish) an old "JKD class" guy and I asked Sifu Inosanto...Sifu my body hurts how do I learn before my body gives out?...He says "drills"...We give him blank looks and walk away after all we came from the hard hitting 70's what is Sifu thinking? A decade later slowly I am starting to understand. We still spar every training session but Sifu is right we drill more now. Regards, Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. <> ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 8:45:53 PDT Subject: eskrima: CO Ho from CO. 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