From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #389 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 10 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 389 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Training concepts vs tools eskrima: safety eskrima: New FMA School!! eskrima: AUSSIE LAND eskrima: Carry laws eskrima: Harimaw Buno Page is up eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scytale Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 07:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Training concepts vs tools > I say train neither. Train concepts that help to put tools into play. For > those JKDC people that is what "attributes" are all about. "Tools > implemetation are a secondary result of proper attribute execution". > > Regards, > > Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. > Redondo Beach, Ca. I see what you are saying and it is true. However, I think that before you can use techniques effectively they must be drilled until they become second nature. Bruce Lee also talked a lot about creating neural pathways through repitition so that the use of your weapons is as close to reflexive as possible. There are a lot of people on the list that are already past that point, but I still consider myself an 'advanced beginner'. I have several weapons (knees for example) that I haven't drilled through enough angles, combinations, and power application to be second nature in sparring. But attribute training is a big part of my sessions; I spend every other session working attributes rather than techniques. Thanks for the input! Bryan Creel shadow_of_the_dawn@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:44:58 +0100 Subject: eskrima: safety hi Working in Industry with strict safety standards nowadays there are some basic tenants that can also relate to training or real life scenarios. They go like this: What could go wrong? How could you get hurt? What kind of injury? How serious? How could you prevent it? Who else could be effected? What if the unexpected happened? How can the exercise be done more safely? As an exercise put in the concept of doing a double stick drill. Second exercise being getting out of your car in a car park. Thoughts? pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group Web site * www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: "Jason M. Silverman" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:21:37 -0400 Subject: eskrima: New FMA School!! Greetings All~ I'd like to announce that as of August 15, 2000, EEMA Fitness & Martial Arts will officially be open. Located at 435 Columbian Street in Weymouth, Massachusetts (12 miles south of Boston!) EEMA offers instruction in: Doce Pares Eskrima Filipino Martial Arts for Kids Fitness Kickboxing Cardio Kickboxing C.O.P.S. Training for LEO Only Butts 'n Guts Stretch 'n Abs and much, much more We are currently enrolling students for all of the conveniently scheduled classes and have special offers for those on this list! If you are interested, feel free to drop me an e-mail or give me a call at 781-335-0800! All the best, Jason Jason M. Silverman EEMA Fitness and Martial Arts Center 435 Columbian Street South Weymouth, Ma 02190 (781) 335-0800 ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:31:39 EDT Subject: eskrima: AUSSIE LAND I was told that there is a fine of up to $5000 if you get cought with a foulder in Australia.Wheww talk about Big Brother! Barry ------------------------------ From: "Kevin M. Blake" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:11:32 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Carry laws With the recent discussions on Kalifornia law regarding carrying knives, I thought I'd point out a semi-recent case from the Superior Court of Pennsylvania (mid-level appellate court) from 1996. In that case, Commonwealth v. Karlson, 449 Pa.Super. 378, 674 A.2d 249, the defendant was charged with selling four "prohibited offensive weapon" at a rural county fair. He was actually caught selling four "Cobra" knives. [For those of you who haven't seen Sylvester Stallone's movie "Cobra" (nice marketing gimmick or coincidence? You be the judge), a Cobra knife is a fixed blade knife with a hand guard that covers all of the knuckles. The handguard is covered with metal (I assume) spikes that can actually be removed.] I would also note that one of the sales was to a 16 year old boy. Your views on the responsibility of this may vary, but the opinion certainly indicated (to me) that this may have been one of the reasons the defendant was arrested - because it seemed pretty stupid to sell something like this to a kid. I would also note that I am skipping half the procedural stuff and legal mumbo jumbo contained in the opinion. (Standard legal waiver - don't count on the court opinion or my opinion in deciding what and if to carry while visiting the great Commonwealth of PA, neither one of us may know what the heck we are doing.) Anyway, the defendant was caught selling four of these knives (which may be an offense against good tactical judgement or taste, but, as you will see, shouldn't necessarily be a crime) and charged with violated PA's law on Prohibited Offensive Weapons - 18 Pa. C.S.A. section 908. That statute states as follows: Offense defined. - A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes, repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive weapon. The term "offensive weapons" is defined as: Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or otherwise, or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose. Karlson, 674 A.2d at 251, citing 18 Pa. C.S.A. section 908(c) The court noted that, since the Cobra knives did not have blades "exposed in an automatic way" they were not specifically prohibited by the statute unless they fit into the category of "implement[s] for the infliction of serious bodily purpose which serves no common lawful purpose." Id at 251. The Commonwealth, which bore the burden of proving a prima facie case against the defendant on this issue, put a police officer on the stand who, "unsupported by any legal authority, subjectively stated that the knives did not serve any common lawful purpose and that as an officer, he feared that, because young adults were attracted to the unique look of the knives, the knives posed a great threat to our society and must be prohibited under section 908." Id at 252. The Commonwealth provided no other proof to establish the criminal elements. The Superior Court, in affirming the dismissal of the charges, specifically referred to a prior case involving the difficulty a court faces in determining whether a weapon has a common lawful purpose: "Other weapons like sporting rifles, shotguns and revolvers, and dangerous implements which have peaceful as well as lethal potentialities, like knives and straight razors, cannot be dealt with by drastic prohibition. Not only must we take account of the desires of sportsmen, farmers [my note - PA has more rural land than any other state in the 48, maybe the reason why Carville referred to it as "Pennsyltucky"], and dealers in hunting equipment, we must also recognize THAT REVOLVERS AND KNIVES ARE FREQUENTLY CARRIED FOR DEFENSIVE PURPOSES." (citation was to Commonwealth v. Jackson, 336 Pa.Super. 609, 486 A.2d 431 (1984), emphasis was mine.) The court also cited various other cases which stood for the proposition that sans an automatically opening blade, the Commonwealth had a tough row to hoe proving a knife was a Prohibited Offensive Weapon. The cases involved a kitchen knife, a folding knife with a seven-inch blade, a thirteen inch butcher knife, and a knife with a thirty inch blade. All were found not to be P.O.W. However, note that the possessors of these implements were often charged (and convicted) of various other offenses like assault, attempted murder, possession of an instrument of crime (which can be the use of a perfectly legal tool, like a screwdriver, for an illegal purpose, such as jimmying a door). Points of my email: 1) Don't buy stupid looking knives (even in PA) that look nasty, you will likely spend tons of cash for lawyers (not that that's necessarily a bad thing) to defend you up to the appellate courts and ultimately find you not guilty. 2) Some states still apparently recognize the right of an individual to carry knives for the sole purpose of self-defense and without having to make up a B.S. story about carrying it as a 'tool.' 3) Anyone who is thinking of carrying a weapon should seriously research the caselaw and statutes of the state/county/city where he or she intends to carry. Hope this wasn't too long or too off the subject. PS - While travelling in PA, keep in mind that many cities and municipalities, such as Philly, have made it a summary offense to carry a bladed weapon. Whether such an ordinance is constitutional, especially in light of the PA constitution (stronger than the 2nd Amend.) is an interesting question and one I don't want to resolve unless I'm the lawyer getting paid the tons 'o cash. ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:17:12 EDT Subject: eskrima: Harimaw Buno Page is up Hello ED member, Finally we put the history of the Harimaw Buno on our website. I thought worth to tell you who e-mailed me before you can check the Buno Section. Visit:http:garimot.com Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:15:09 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #389 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.