From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #396 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 15 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 396 In this issue: eskrima: Golota vs. Tyson eskrima: Vasa eskrima: La Cane. eskrima: Dan's book eskrima: Vasa+ eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #394 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Davies Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:07:09 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Golota vs. Tyson Another side step out of the way of Lennox Lewis and just a quick pay day. Nothing wrong with pay days , just don't believe the honour is left in it. Theres one fight and its clear who'd win that. <> Personal opinion pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group Web site * www.amag.fsbusiness.co.uk ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 15 Aug 00 09:31:11 CDT Subject: eskrima: Vasa Water ... how much is enough/too much? I'm not going to start a dissertation here ... easy enough to handle the issue: if you drink more it's a good idea ... not likely to overdo it (normally!) because to do so is mechanically painful -- stomach distension, bladder distention. NEway, drinking by the glass is not the best approach ... why? Because water balance is a dynamic thing. Increasing fluid volume quickly causes "reflex" actions aimed at normalizing blood pressure. This involves both mechanical and hormonal changes designed to keep fluid volume at a level that keeps blood pressure in a suitable range. The body will throw water out more quickly if the water comes in quickly ... so a lot of the water we may drink to (re)hydrate ourselves can just go the way of the kidney instead of between and into all the cells of the body. This leads to sipping. Unless your intent is to exercise your kidneys (and bladder!) it's best to sip water all day long so that it can find its way into and between the cells (rather than down the drainpipes). Drinking it too quickly during activity can lead to projectile upchuckin' ... or just a bunch of unnecessary pain. The best advice that I know of re: high activity days is to continue hydrating every 10-15 minutes to maintain blood volume. An absolute amount may not mean much since we don't all have the same levels of exertion, duration, etc. in our activity. By continuously taking in smaller amounts of water throughout an active day/training session our blood volume does not drop. As a result the heart rate remains within a good range (otherwise becomes rapid when blood volume gets low ... uncomfortable, stressful ... not good). What I'm suggesting is this: On days of heavy activity, in addition to your regular water intake, sip water throughout activity to maintain blood volume and eliminate the need for "re"hydration. Also, be aware that heavy intake causes a shift in physiology such that the body will signal thirst sooner than before. Some of us have to be more careful with this than others, e.g., tendencies toward hypertension. All said, continuous sipping is where it's at. Also, the stones ... water is not the main factor. It's diet. Increased water intake is helpful, but it may be just as important to check out the diet, e.g., for oxalates and other stuff that will get soney when water intake is habitually inadequate. Don't gulp the vasa mon, be sippin'. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:16:10 -0700 Subject: eskrima: La Cane. Last issue SReiter wrote: " Guro Dan I teaches a lot of cane techniques I believe came from LaCoste". I would say that there is a better chance that Guro I's cane techniques came to him from Salem Assli and his teachings of "La Cane" which is a branch of French Savate. No less valid than anything Filipino, but a very acrobatic (and effective) art. Tom Meadows ------------------------------ From: "Graham Jamieson" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:34:54 BST Subject: eskrima: Dan's book Dear Steve I'm glad to hear that Dan doesn't like it much either. I was beginning to think it was just me that thought it was an experiment that failed (though well worth reading and historically important in reaching a wider audience). It seemed an instructive failure in the difficulties of presenting a concept based approach to those without a prior technical background. I thought Bob Orlando's book on Silat was a much more successful attempt to present core principles rather then a list of techniques and always found it odd that Dan had never written anything like that in the books that followed. I suspected his editorial advisors were at least partly to blame. My vote for the best presentation of FMA concepts goes to Dionisio Canete's book effectively self published in the Philippines. Graham Jamieson Black Eagle Arnis-Eskrima ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 15 Aug 00 11:51:45 CDT Subject: eskrima: Vasa+ Just remembered ... in addition to water intake and balance we have to be aware of electrolyte balances. Some electrolytes (sodium, calcium, etc.) are lost in perspiration. Both the electrolytes AND water are necessary for the cells to remain normal. This is why commercial sports drinks put electrolytes in their formula. Every muscular contraction uses up a bit of something that we need to maintain and/or replace. Maintaining is IMHO the high road. When blood fluid volume drops (heavy perspiration loss) the muscles have also lost fluid. When the muscles lose water they can no longer contract effectively ... we experience exhaustion (maybe prematurely). What I try to do in my now not-frequent-enough training sessions is to keep fluid, fuel and electrolytes going to the muscles for the duration of the session. I drink a small amount every 10 to 15 minutes. Gotta get to work ... but summarizing: We have to maintain fluid volume, blood sugar level and electrolytes (I take extra minerals on training days) to get the best/most out of our training sessions ... and remember to keep the body well-hydrated on non-training days ... year-round, not just during summer heat. It'll decrease wrinkling y'know, best if you're a constant sipper:-) Sometimes when you think that you're hungry, your body is actually trying to get water :-) This is a complicated topic, complicated by such things as "Do you drink coffee/caffeine-containing-teas/beer regularly?" These things cause the body to throw water out when it perhaps should not. Habitual alcohol and caffeine throw off the natural dynamics of fluid balance. Mitakyoase, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ From: Jack525@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:36:25 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #394 Re: The water thread I'm not a doctor nor a dietician and I don't play either one on TV. This is just info I picked over a long career of screwing up my body followed by medical care: (1) 6-8 8 oz. glasses of water per day taken throughout the day is generally sufficient for a moderately active adult in a mild climate with a body weight of 150 lbs. When the temperature/humidity and/or amount of exercise rises so should the amount of water intake. If you are heavier adjust intake upwards. (2) If you are on a long term diet or fast your intake should increase to assist the kidneys in processing waste from the body fat you are burning. (3) If you are exercising heavily, especially in hot/humid conditions your intake should increase. Also, you should be ingesting salt and mineral replacement tablets or sport drinks designed to replenish lost salts and minerals. (4) In any case, you should start hydrating BEFORE you start any exercise or if generally the weather is hot and humid. (5) In regard to items two and three you should take the advice of a a physician or an experienced trainer. (6) I have heard recently, but I haven't had a chance to verify statement's accuracy, that drinking too much water at one time will inhibit physical activity. Especially, intense musular effort like weight lifting and sprinting. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:06:35 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #396 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.