From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #409 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 23 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 409 In this issue: eskrima: Liveblade training eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #408 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #408 eskrima: only $89.95 eskrima: RE: What is best syle? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin M. Blake" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:31:43 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Liveblade training I have seen postings before on the digest, where people have alluded to training with live blades, but not going into specifics. Last night at class (Sayoc Kali), after about an hour and half of training, our instructor, Guro Tom Kier, told the class we would be doing some live blade training. He then pulled out a double edged (actually, the 'back' side of the blade was all serrations) knife and started feeding me. At first we did Sayoc transition drill #1, which we had worked on for a bit in class. I immediately noticed that my hands were kept closer to my body and I was way more focused, due to possibility of even incidental contact. Then Guro Tom started free flowing, with absolutely no pattern. He often tried to back me into the gym's corners or into one of the heavy bags. He was also doing sweeps, foot traps, etc., all while feeding me with the live blade. While we probably only went for about ten minutes, it certainly seemed longer. Then Guro Tom fed my training partner, Sean. For those of you who have done live blade training, I ask: 1) Is it always in the form of instructor feeding student? Other than the obvious fact (to me and anyone who knows Guro Tom) that he could have cut me at will, there were other instances where, because of my incorrect reaction or improper positioning, that Guro Tom had to change his feed or pull back to avoid making contact. There were other instances where Guro Tom actually covered the blade with his finger, I assume (hope) to avoid cutting me. (I would also note that Guro Tom only did the live blade training with two of the people in the class, who had trained with him a bit longer than the rest of the guys.) 2) What size blades do you use? Guro Tom was using a knife with about a two inch blade. I had always heard that smaller blades are extremely difficult to strip (I know, I know, incidental or accidental) but there were times he was so close and moving it so fast that I wonder (now) if Guro Tom would have been forced to go slower if a larger blade were involved. 3) How 'hard' do you go? As I stated, I completely aware of the fact Guro Tom could have cut me at will. At times, he would thrust past me, like with a #6 strike from the first 3 of 9 template (you can see it on the Sayoc web page), and, instead of burying the knife in my neck, merely smack my neck with the side of his arm. (His hand was completely past my neck, behind it, if that makes any sense.) I have heard of people training to the 'first cut,' but I wonder if that gets people into 'hand hunting' instead of going for targets that would end a self-defense situation quicker? Do people who have trained with live blades also throw in empty hands, knees, etc? Just wonderin . . . Keep up the great work Ray, your digest helps me get through work everyday. ------------------------------ From: "Strider" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:30:42 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #408 hello, perhaps someone knows something of a fellow by the name of tom proctor, i saw an ad in a survival mag on the stand, he claims to know all thesesecrets of fighting,,,which you of course can have for a modest 100 dollars or so,,,anyone know of him??n thanks,,,ps hope this message is stand alone without any other text,,my machine has been acting up,,, ------------------------------ From: ARNISTE@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:37:52 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #408 Meowmix to all, The 1st Annual Pilipino Combative Arts Training(PCAT),INC. will be on Nov. 4th,2000 ,Saturday @10am.Late registration starts @8am, but if you need registration forms please go to following MA stores; I & I Sports (Official Tournament Supply Store) ,California Martial Arts Store(Westminister,CA), Musashi (Stanton,CA). 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Or you wouldn't be studying it. Ok, so if asked with the same question, what are list members response, whether FMA or not, and why?" Hmm, interesting question. I guess the best answer I have at this point in my development is, "All of them!" But that is an oversimplification in some ways... from my perspective the best MA to actually USE is probably the best one to STUDY, but what will be best to use will vary from person to person. And how to learn what will be best to use? Try it... learn it well enough to be able to pick and choose what will work personally... no easy way to do this without extensive exposure to lots of stuff. Even then something that feels good in a practice or sparring session may not be the best for use in a real situation. It's been discussed in this forum how difficult it is to determine what is best to use short of an extended stint in a situation requiring the use of MA, and that adds a complication in as well. Of course when asking, "What is the best MA to use?" we need to keep in mind the highly important follow-up question of, "What will you be using it for?" To sum up the previous rant: I judge the original question to be beyond my experience at this point. But educational and interesting to consider. Cory ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:31:12 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #409 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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