From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #411 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 25 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 411 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #410 eskrima: Re: progressions in sparring eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #410 eskrima: Re : Kali and Stickfighting eskrima: Kali and knives eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SolAndes@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:35:50 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #410 In a message dated 8/24/00 10:14:52 PM !!!First Boot!!!, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Anyone out there with their own school using one of the martial arts management groups like EFC, EasyPay, Global Finance, etc? Comments, pro or con? >> STAY AWAY FROM EASY PAY! I used them for a year and the experience was a nightmare! Double charging my students (almost had legal trouble due to this and lost several students), not collecting tuition on time (they keep the late fees so have no incentive to collect on time), holding my money for 60 days or more (so they can invest it for themselves), and being rude to my students. It's not just me either, I can think of at least 5 other school owner friends who've had the same experience. EFC used to be good, but i've heard nothing but negative reviews about them from friends (never used them myself). NAPMA and PPS seem to be the best in the field. I was with NAPMA when I had the school and was very pleased with them. Ken Andes ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: progressions in sparring Here is a part of an article titled "Progressions in Sparring Pt.1" The beginning, some of the middle, and the ending are not here for reasons of space limitations. "This article is for those that are interested in taking the steps, but maybe don't quite know how to go about it. First off, I would like to state that it is not a wise decision to just walk out there using only a face mask and real rattan sticks and swing it out for two minutes. There are certain steps that can be progressively taken to better prepare an individual for the experience of a full contact stick fight using minimal gear, relying on your skills to protect you. First, watch a couple of fights. Decide, is this something that you would like to pursue. I am assuming that you have some martial arts background at this point. If you don't, get some. If you don't believe that your skills are adequate, find someone that has them, preferably someone that has done this type of fighting or training if that is what your goal is. Remember that the magic words are, "IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU WANT TO TAKE IT". What this means is that 15 seconds into the match, when you have a big, heavy rattan stick smashing into your shin or forearm, no one is going to feel the pain but you. Anyways, assuming that you have the skills, or are learning them, and feel ready to take the next step, here are some ideas. Order some padded sticks, set some basic rules, like when one guy says stop, stop. Simple enough. Now go at it for about two minutes. The tricky part here is that you have to be realistic and have a realistic partner. Realistic meaning that both participants are visualizing that this is a real stick and in realizing this you are both not taking risk and doing unrealistic things. After you have done this a few times a way you can learn to make things work is a method that Paul Vunak uses (or used to use, I saw it on one of his tapes once) and isolate one guy doing one type of attack. For example you can isolate angle #1. One guy can feed nothing but the first angle, eventually progressing to the same angle as a follow through or as a retracting jab. Eventually you add feints. After you've got a pretty good feel for this angle try moving to only angle 2. Work the same progression. Next try angles #1 and 2, using fakes, follow-throughs, jabs, and some footwork. You can work through all the angles this way if your picking up fast and have the time to work on this. Each step should probably take some time, depending on what you're looking for. Everyone is different. If you like, you can even take the same course of action using a rattan stick. This is where you will see some difference in what you try though because of that fear factor. Another drill that I saw Burt Richardson do once is a hand sparring game. Use real rattan sticks and light hockey gloves and go only for the hands. You know your doing the drill right if you get some bruises on your arm. This is basically the same type of isolation plan that we just talked about with the padded sticks. Work on these types of drills as long as you feel you need to. At no time should you step out on the field if you don't feel comfortable in your skills to protect you. When you do feel ready to step on the field, it's a wise idea to start with a heavy fencing mask, two gloves, two hard elbow, and two hard knee pads while both fighters use light rattan sticks. The first few fights are going to be where you feel yourself out. Believe me, most of the traditional training you took will probably go right out the door. There is no lying here, guaranteed to be only the truth as it stands for you." ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:12:07 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #410 > My teacher (Guru Plinck) got back from the de Thouars Family Gathering. He > liked it a lot, had a good time, made lots of friends. One of them was a > Venezuelan gentleman whom he is going to visit and trade Sera for the guy's > South American bladed art. I was looking at the couple of drills he brought > back and was struck by how different they were from pretty much all of the > Kali/Arnis/Eskrima I've seen in this country. I had the immense pleasure of meeting Guru Plinck at the Gathering and I look forward to seeing him again in the future (i.e.: in California in December). Yes, Bruno is the Venezuelan guy. I met him last year and saw his work then. The details are different from the Kali that I train in ... but the concepts are the same. "Larenz Garrote" (please forgive my spelling if it is incorrect) is the name of the art. If I remember correctly it is a machete art and, as with all else, form follows function ... in this case the application of the concepts are better suited to a machete than to a pinute, kampilan, etc. But again, the concepts are the same. The most notable differences are the rectangular footwork (as opposed to the Filipino triangle) and the switching of the hands. They move their weapon from one hand to the other almost constantly. I think this is great for training ... though I'm not sure I'd want to do it in a fight (nor am I sure that they *do* do that in a fight ... I've only seen the training drill). > The difference is that those drills were very obviously based on the use of > a medium length bladed weapon. The FMA I've seen has been almost entirely > based on a medium length IMPACT weapon. The specific use of distance and > evasion, the lack of what we would recognize as blocking, the use of range, > and and the type of handwork all said "BLADE!" In contrast the American FMA > practitioners I've seen are a lot more nonchalant about contact, stay at > dangerous ranges a lot more, and do an awful lot more blocking. > > I'm not saying one is better than the other. But it is instructive to see > the contrast. Please say "Hi" to Guru Plinck for me (Mike Casto) and let him know that my brother-in-arms, Bob, is doing OK (Guru Plinck will know who I mean). For those who don't know, my training partner was in an accident and got a broken neck while I was in Colorado for the Gathering. Bob is able to function again at a very basic level and is in the process of moving to Cleveland. We still don't know how long he'll be out of training but he's spending his down time watching videos, reading books, and researching things like anatomy and pressure points. That sums up Bob, though ... never one to quit or give up. Anyway ... Selamat and Mabuhay, Mike - -- It is not how good you are; it is how bad you want it. -- Unknown ------------------------------ From: Gary Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:16:54 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re : Kali and Stickfighting Filipino Stickfighting is originally come from "Blade" systems. Kali is the oldest style of Filipino weaponary art. If review several different popluar sytles of Kali and Eskrima, it will be very easy to find out lots of techniques is coming from "Blade" concept. However, nowadays, if we talk about "Street Fight" using Filipino Weaponary art, it seems "Stick art" is more easier to use than " Blade art". Since "Blade Art" use lots of "Slashes" & "Cutting", but "Stick art" uses lots of "Hitting". If in a street fight situation, you are most likely to pick up a tool from the street to use for the fight, like a piece of wood, wasted water pipe, mod stick or some other things the shape is similar to a "Stick" and without a "sharp Blade", as a result, you need to apply "Hitting" technique in order to deliver a powerful strike. If you use a piece of wood without a "sharp Edge" to deliver "Slashes" or "Cutting", it won't have an effective damage. gary ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:40:04 PDT Subject: eskrima: Kali and knives > ... Kali is > the oldest style of Filipino weaponary art. What exactly does this ancient art look like? > ... If in a > street fight situation, you are most likely to pick up a tool from the > street to use for the fight, like a piece of wood, wasted water pipe, mod > stick or some other things the shape is similar to a "Stick" and without a > "sharp Blade", as a result, you need to apply "Hitting" technique in order > to deliver a powerful strike. Why not just use one of the knives that you would most likely be carrying? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:41:39 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #411 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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