From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #415 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 26 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 415 In this issue: eskrima: Las Vegas Martial Arts Camp! eskrima: Re : Kali FMA/Oldest eskrima: Erik Paulson ? Re: eskrima: Re : Kali FMA/Oldest Re: > Subject: eskrima: Singing and dancing... eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #414 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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For more information write Point Man Productions at marsystems@aol.com Las Vegas Martial Arts camp is coming! www.ronbalicki.com ------------------------------ From: "gary" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 23:01:42 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re : Kali FMA/Oldest From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:46:21 EDT Subject: eskrima: Kali FMA/ oldest?? Dear GatPuno, >Gary, >Are you certainly know, that the Kali is the oldest weapons arts in >Philippines? Well, Before this is accepted, probably by most foreign >practitioner of the arts. Kali is not even existed, in other parts of the >Philippines. Therefore is not eh oldest then, why? Because, before >Indonesian, Malays, Indians, Chinese, and Spanish, reach the Philippines, >they found that the Philippines has already citizen. The Aetas, Manyans, >Baluga tribes, etc. etc. And this tribes has their own Weapon arts too. >Example, Sibat (spears), Busog at Palaso (bow and arrow), Tungkod (Walking >stick), Lubid (Vine rope) etc. etc. We have to remember, Philippines has >7,100 islands not only one islands have it all. One question for the about topics, oldest or not is it that really important ? May be there are different styles of the Philippine Martial Arts existing at the same period of time, Kali may be one of the oldest, but we both not sure, aren't we? And with referring the my little knowledge (As a foreign practicioner), "Kali" is a word and it also a concept, the word "Kali" doen't mean only Blade, Stick, it also included Mano Mano (Empty hand techniques) and some other weaponary as well. I hope this explaination can be accepted. Furthermore, if we look at the history of man kind, the first weapon we use is "Stone" for Hitting or throwing and a "Stick" or a "piece of wood from the tree"for hitting, this exists far more earlier that spears, bow and arrow, rope etc this sort of "processed handmade tools". Since a piece of wood drop from the tree is a ready hand tools for hunting and self defence. If we agree with this concept, (please forgive me, I am not a human studies expert), than it really matches with a "Stickfighting" concept, and Kali included Stickfighting, as a result, if we say "Kali"(conceptually) is the oldest style of Philippine Weaponary art, it matches with the progress of Human Being in use of tools. << >> Filipino Stickfighting is originally come from "Blade" systems. Kali is >>the oldest style of Filipino weaponary art. If review several different >>popluar sytles of Kali and Eskrima, it will be very easy to find out lots >> of techniques is coming from "Blade" concept. >>>Also the FMA, is not only weapon arts, their techniques is well work in both >>>armed and un-armed situations. I think you look at the arts in a small >>>picture, look at it in broader picture. We have Blade, Stick, knife, >>>Mano-mano, Panuntukan, Sikaran, Dumog, Buno etc. etc. Actually, I am pin-pointing on "Filipino Stickfighting"(as at above paragraph) not "Filipino Martial Art", of course I am looking at a small picture of the art. I do agree with you Filipino Martial Art have other techniques and styles. >> However, nowadays, if we talk about "Street Fight" using Filipino Weaponary art, it seems "Stick art" is more easier to use than " Blade art". Since "Blade Art" use lots of "Slashes" & "Cutting", but "Stick art" uses lots of "Hitting". If in a street fight situation, you are most likely to pick up a tool from the street to use for the fight, like a piece of wood, wasted water pipe, mod stick or some other things the shape is similar to a "Stick" and without a "sharp Blade", as a result, you need to apply "Hitting" technique in order to deliver a powerful strike. If you use a piece of wood without a "sharp >> Edge" to deliver "Slashes" or "Cutting", it won't have an effective damage. >> >>>I think you really dont need to look for the stick to used in self defense, >>>especially on the street. What if, not weapon available on the street or >>>location, that you are in? What you going to do, still look for weapon? I >>>thinks you must learn how to used your hand and feet huh? or feet alone, just >>>run run, my friends, nothing wrong with techniques is running. Is safer >>>sometimes, but if you cut you by surprise you have a big problem my friends. >>>I think you must go and keep study the arts until you reach this empty hand >>>application, so you don't have to look for stick anymore. Also just a tip, if >>>you have key on hands, used that instead, belts, shirts, shoes, etc., The >>>goal is to survived. Again, I am foucing on "Street Fight" using Filipino Weaponary art, not "Filipino Martial Art" as a whole. Of course, in a street fight, everything goes. I am just making an assumption in using the "Weaponary" only. >>>Okay, I just think you need a little help on this threads, to better >>>understand the arts study the arts. To understand history study the history, >>>and to understand the techniques you must study and practice techniques. >>>Don't guess, this is not quite sure though, it might lead you from nowhere. This is why I write to the digest, the digest is for us to discuss and find out the truth, if we know everything, we no need to discuess, we discuess is beacuse we what to know more. >>>Gumagalang ng Lubos/with all respect >>>Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet >>>Laguna Arnis Federation International >>>US Harimaw Buno Federation >>>Hilot Research Center USA - ------------------------------ Respectfully, gary ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 9:17:47 PDT Subject: eskrima: Erik Paulson ? > World Light Heavy Weight Shoot Wrestling Champion Erik Paulson: > Erik has been featured in many No-Holds barred events including Japanese > Vale Tudo and Extreme Fighting. Shooto is a compilation of Judo, Ju Jitsu, > Sambo, Catch-as-catch-can Wrestling and Thai boxing. Learn from the best! > Come see why Erik Paulson is an undefeated champion. Haven't we seen Erik Paulson defeated? Is it perhaps that he is undefeated in matches within a particular style/organization? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 9:27:25 PDT Subject: Re: eskrima: Re : Kali FMA/Oldest > One question for the about topics, oldest or not is it that really important > ? May be there are different styles of the Philippine Martial Arts existing > at the same period of time, Kali may be one of the oldest, but we both not > sure, aren't we? And with referring the my little knowledge (As a foreign > practicioner), "Kali" is a word and it also a concept, the word "Kali" > doen't mean only Blade, Stick, it also included Mano Mano (Empty hand > techniques) and some other weaponary as well. But did it.?. I submit that Kali is an old word that refers to an old art. And that is about as far as we can be confident. Was it a blade art? We don't know for sure. Was it a stick art? We don't know for sure. Was it an empty hand art? Did it include grappling? This is a similar situation to the Korean art of Subbaki. It is a very old word referring to a very old martial arts style from Korea (and/or China). But we don't know what that art was like, to whom it was taught, or what (if any) weapons were employed. We know what the Kali of today is like, but IMHO we should not assume that the Kali of old was -anything- like today's Kali. Sorry for being so anal... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:31:29 -0400 Subject: Re: > Subject: eskrima: Singing and dancing... Yes I use dance in my training and teaching FMA I have incorporated music and the flow work into sort of a dance for women.... it will be used as part of an overall system of healing and self-defense for women that are abused and battered ..... My life time goal in my FMA training is too eventually take this overall system to abuse shelters and taught to the women free of charge to help them heal body mind and soul.... the program will include much flow work with music incorporating meditative mind and flow work at the same time with double sticks in movements.... using the focus and the Positive UE " universal energy" that is generated by the flow/music/meditative combination..... I use meditative music from all over the world from middle eastern drum music to native American Indian music, there is some very good aboriginal music as well that suits this form and style I am working on.... though sometimes I take my students to the beach and we do this in the sand having what I call a silent class.... no talking at all not even from me the instructor... its all meditative and flow giving over to the movements and the feel....... this will give them both relief mentally and physically to get over there abuses and there pasts in an overall positive way empowering them to help themselves too heal and be stronger from the past bad experiences.... "Johnaleen bows deeply" > ------------------------------ " From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:13:39 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Singing and dancing... My question is: Does anyone include dance in their MA training, and if so, what? Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: "Jesse Greenawalt" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:24:47 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #414 Michael Koblic wrote: >My question is: Does anyone include dance in their MA training, and if so, >what? Not dance, really, but step aerobics. I started because it was something my wife & I could do together, but it's also a great aerobic workout & good for footwork. jester ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:39:40 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #415 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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