From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #418 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 27 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 418 In this issue: eskrima: Your point of view< Kali term? eskrima: Un-realistic?? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #416 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #414 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #417 eskrima: LiveBlade Training eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #417 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 11:39:59 EDT Subject: eskrima: Your point of view< Kali term? Gary, I will leave you at piece, I wish you best of luck. I supposed to respect your opinion, so I did. Let it be. I am not here to change anybody's belief, if that your belief, let walk in piece, that my last word for you. Thanks and good-bye. My personal view was said, my opinion was heard, your question was answer, we learn from both side. This time we have to go on our personal goal. Be well Gary. Gumagalang ng Lubos/with deep respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center International Gary wrote: << Please undertsand one important point is, I am not going to push or claim "Kali" is the oldest weaponary art in Philippine. What I have said before is "Kali is the oldest Weaponart Art in Philippine" , it solely my personal opinion. Nothing offensive at any point. Don't take this point so serious, as a foreign Practicioner, I may have different point of view. >> ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:01:59 EDT Subject: eskrima: Un-realistic?? Don, That not true, all of the techniques taught in Modern, Traditional Arnis is effective, in any situation. This is all its up to the practitioner to reach that level of proficiency. Don't let anyone, tell you, your techniques is unrealistic. You are the only one can test that. If we are going to listen to everyone negative view of the techniques. NO techniques will work for you. Reverse it make it work, in any cost, reverse the unrealistic to realistic mindset. Practice techniques and analyze the situation, every techniques should be view in more realistic approach, rather than, pretty looking moves, or you can do it both pretty and effectively. << >> Hello, would someone comment on the "Modern Arnis" >>system? In particular, how does it measure up when >>your attacker has a knife? I have been told (wrongly)? >>that some of the arnis systems (for American consumption) >>have unrealistic amounts of grappling in them, which >>I understand is a subject of much debate (the idea >>of close in defensive measures with a knife). Don, Do not listen to those people that are self-center. You will encounter some of this so called master pratitioner of the different arts. To tell you and commenting your techniques and saying unrealistic! Listen and absorbed what he has to said about it and then, walk to your own self observation. You decide for you, not because they tell you, analyze, study, practice and practiced make perfect. Modern Arnis and Traditional Arnis, Kali, and Eskrima has a variety of techniques, design to subdue, any type of attack. FMA is known best among best weapon oriented arts. Go ahead, keep your training and please keep this to your mind, distraction, is no place for your progression. Enjoy your training. Gumagalang/with respect, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA ------------------------------ From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:43:20 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #416 <<< Last years, while assisting Hock Hockheim with a demonstration in Virginia I stabbed Hock in the forearm with an "almost live" blade (dulled - slightly, with a slightly rounded tip. As I thrust at him at about 3/4 speed, one of us screwed up and I stuck the blade in his arm by over an inch. >>> I'm curious, was this a free flow exercise or a patterned drill? I ask because most of the accidents that I see are usually the result of someone messing up a patterned drill. Which then begs the question of if you continually practice with primarily a patterned type training program what happens when you are on the street and the bad guy doesn't use any pattern that you know? Last year on another board I posted that I do live blade training and was amazed of the amount of negative comments that came my way in private email. I am also curious in how do you train your students to control their andrenel dump during a real confrontation? Do you mean to say that the first time any of your students are exposed to a live blade scenario is on the street? I try to train my people to survive on the streets. I do not want their first experience with a blade, and all the fear that comes with facing a live blade, to be on the street. Their chances for survival under this type of scenario is not good. There was a saying when I was in the military that I've always thought appropriate to any type of combatives training, "We're not making cornflakes here." Of course if you are training your people for entertainment purposes or sport then you are probably right in that they don't need any type of live blade training and concentrating primarily on pattern type training is probably sufficient. >>>As an instructor, I don't work with students and live blades anymore, it's not worth the liability risk.<<< As I stated in a previous post, as an instructor I, in the vast majority of the training, control the live blade. I take the liability risk in the hopes that I can increase their chances of survival in the street. >>>We long argue with gun-people that a blade can be as dangerous as guns in close-quarters, but you don't see people pointing live guns AT EACH OTHER and practicing their CQC skills.<<< Actually while in the military we came to realize that one of the best training set-ups for CQB was the introduction of simunition rounds. All the bad guys were equiped with simunition rounds and you would be amazed at how more careful and andrenalized the CQB team was when there was a possibility that they would be shot. >>>Technology is at the point that using a live blade with a partner isn't needed.<<< What technology are you referring to? What kind of knife training do you do to get the student in an andrenalized state without the use of a live blade? >>>The question is: Do the benefits of live blade training outweigh the risk. My answer: NO.<<< Well as you have probably guessed my answere to your question is yes, the benefits definately outweigh the risks. Take care, Rob. ------------------------------ From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:51:35 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #414 <<< Thrusts with a stick, especially a stick used with one hand, are ineffective against an opponent who is in fighting mode- full of adrenaline. >>> I've dropped more than a few people with stabs into their stomach and chest area. I would also mention that both of us were in an andrenalized state at the time. But in other cases the stab didn't have the desired effect. Like most techniques it works against some but not against others. I try to never discount a technique completely. >>>Stick thrusts do not have enough force behind them to hurt anyone seriously enough to be useful.<<< Again I would say that in my own experience I've come to believe otherwise. Take care, Rob. ------------------------------ From: Harms/Burke Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:25:52 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #417 The Aetas and Manyans are not as innocent as you think. They have their own Calendar, They have their own Alphabets. In facts they found a 25,000 years old copper plates in my provinces with inscription on it and the only one can translate is the Mangyans among the natives tribes. This is strong evidence that the existence of this indigenous people is more than the earliest records. - ------------- I would like to hear more about this 'alphabet on copper plate'- or be directed to some documentation of this claim- as it flies in the face of all history of man on earth!* * Accordingly, the sumerians were the originators of the earliest known writing at 3500 BCE (5500 years ago) and the invention of metallurgy was around the same time. Your claim of 25000 years ago would be 23000 BCE! Something is obviously missing from this picture of history. Jeff Burke ------------------------------ From: mk322@juno.com Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:09:03 -0700 Subject: eskrima: LiveBlade Training >However, recognize that some of the things that have crept into and/or have >been over-emphasized in current training will get you killed with a real >blade. Could you give some examples? ================================ Don, mk322@juno.com ================================ ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:17:10 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #417 Concerning whether cuts really do work: depends on where the cut is. While bouncing I got rib slashed one night, bloody and painful and pissed me off. A friend caught slash by a small case pocket knife across the inside of the forearm it took three operations and about 18 months to get his hand working again (about 85%). Like any other weapon people get shot every day and keep coming but not if they are shot in the right place. Same with the blade, that is why we train to target our thrusts and cuts. Bladewerkr ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:53:39 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #418 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.