From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #420 Sender: owner-eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: bulk Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 28 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 420 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #419 eskrima: LiveBlade Training eskrima: Sacramento FMA Instruction Sought eskrima: Copper Plate Inscription eskrima: End the refrain, thrust home eskrima: Stockton Seminar ? eskrima: Solo training eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:36:40 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #419 In a message dated 8/28/00 7:33:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << At what point does the danger of training with a live blade outweight the risk of injury. Again, accidents happen! Why not train with a slightly dulled metal blade rather that a razor sharp edge? >> Absolutely ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:17:22 EDT Subject: eskrima: LiveBlade Training >From Marc Animal MacYoung mk322@juno.com asked << >However, recognize that some of the things that have crept into and/or have >been over-emphasized in current training will get you killed with a real >blade. >Could you give some examples? >> Off the top of my head... Trapping, locking and disarms Fighting, instead of neutralization Fighting instead of running like hell Speed instead of effective power delivery/edge contol Being more concerned about what you are going to do to him, than what he can do to you That a stick is an average weapon with the idea that it wil teach you how to use every weapon...ignoring that the differences are as significant as the similiarities. And the last one is kind of hard to describe, but I will try... Arrogance of the uninitiated. There is an old biker maxim that "If you aren't a little afraid, it's time to stop riding" It's not just respect of your bike, it is you had better be little afraid while riding. Because the day you forget that you are the hunted and not the hunter out there you will end up with a car parked on your skull. The same with blades, you had BETTER be afraid of the dude coming at you, because the day that you aren't is the day you get sloppy and by extension, carved. Now this isn't a slam on FMAers in general, and I don't want to get flamed for saying that. But all "rumpa rumpa well in our style" snorts aside, this is a "if you don't want your guts on the sidewalk, you had better pay attention to an important element here." You WILL react according to your training. The problem is if your training doesn't include a certain degree of realistic emotional reactions the way you will react is your training will collide with your emotional/survival instinct. Your training will tell you to do one thing while your monkey brain will be telling you to do something else. While these two are having an interdepartmental squabble, you're going to get mauled. I would like to request the readers of this post to do something. And that is take a look at your fellow students and see how often these guys charge in knowing that they can take hits from light sticks. And how in certain students this translates into an "I can take a hit" swaggering arrogance. It is worse in some schools than others. Also it is important to look for this outside of the class context, many people are humble in class, but a whole different animal outside of class. I guarantee you that, if you look honestly, you will see it. It's bad enough to see macho among bare handed fighters, but when you throw weapons into the mix, the idea that you win by giving more damage than you take is kind of suicidal. I personally prefer Patton's statement..."No dumb SOB ever won a war by dying for his country. He won a war by making some other poor dumb SOB dying for his" If you walk into a weapons conflict with a macho "I can take it" attitude and you are toast. But then again, that's exactly how many people train with practice weapons. That is why those of use who have been there are the first ones to admit how terrified we were. And it was that terror that kept us aware, alert, fast and wanting to end it NOW. In other words it was terror as much as skill that kept us alive. This is part of the reason why I do recommend carefully controlled, dulled, live-blade training. You learn to move...or you bleed. ------------------------------ From: Danny Alvendia Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:42:46 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Sacramento FMA Instruction Sought A friend of mine is looking for instruction in FMA in the Sacramento area. Any leads greatly appreciated. - -- Danny Alvendia Mayan Networks Phone: (408) 245-5600 x 1520 Email: dannya@mayannetworks.com ------------------------------ From: Harms/Burke Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:07:06 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Copper Plate Inscription Jeff Burke, Thanks for pointing that claimed, I went back to the Original website that I seen the copper Plates is not that old. Is 900 AD, not 25,000 its my bad. But this make the oldest document found in the Philippines. This Laguna Copper Plate Inscriptive push the earliest records than the 1521 previously accepted date of observation of Antonio Pigaffeta. This change a lot of view of the Historian in the Philippines and all over the worlds. The Sri Vijaya, was 13th century, also the madjapahit Empire is at about the same time 12 th 13th Century. That make this records earlier than them. And the only one can explain the inscription is the Hanunoo Tribes (Manyans tribes) in Oriental Mindoro. Where the Harimaw Lumad (Filipino Wrestling) is originated. That evidence make the Aetas and Mangyans the oldest Martial Arts experts in the Philippines. The art of Survival is always part of their daily life. Lumad (the arts of Animal wrestling) is the only martial arts, they praticed, in regards of weapon, they utilized Bow and arrow, Sibat (Spears), Lubid (Rope) for Hunting and survival reason. GatPuno Thanks for getting back to me so quickly! I agree that the fact that the inscription is only from 900CE (common era has replace AD in history terminology) doesn't disprove your valid point that fighitng arts existed in the Phillipines before the Indian invaders arrived. I do beleive that the fillipinos must have absorbed some martial arts from the invaders as they always have done with the Muslims, Spanish, Americans, etc. Jeff Burke ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:31:34 -0700 Subject: eskrima: End the refrain, thrust home A Howl etc: > Thrusts with a stick, especially a stick used with one hand, are > ineffective against an opponent who is in fighting mode- full of adrenaline. > You can get more info on this from anyone who has fought full-contact. > I believe, if I remember correctly, there is even a piece in one of the Dog > Brothers videos about how ineffective thrusts are > > Yes, Marc has said this in the past. I do not know if he still believes it. > I train this way all the time...thrusts one or two handed are effective when > delivered properly just like all other blows. How are you measuring > effectiveness in DB? With the gear on and the last 5 gatherings I have > watched (great family entertainment I might add my 7 yearold loves to watch) > no one has ever been carried out on their shield and only one guy quit from > a smashed knee and one guy from a broken hand in dozens of matches so then > are all the other countless hits ineffective except right to left blows from > a right hander? Hmm.....Thankfully very few train the thrust and even fewer > use it. Take that information for what you can do with it. Remember your > math and draw your own conclusions. > > ******Everything works and everything doesn't but never at the same > time.***** > > Regards, > > C.H. Fung, D.D.S. > Redondo Beach, Ca. The way I remember what we/I said was that with a round rattan stick with no point and the opponent wearing even a light fencing mask is that of course this RELATIVELY SPEAKING LESSENS thrusts. Top Dog has a stellar roof the belly thrusting motion, and Sled Dog's is pretty good too. Both men come from PT, a blade oriented system. In my last fight I used thrusts in standing grapple range to disrupt my opponent's stability which created the opening for an effective throw. Very occasionally we will see a long range thrust towards the face without much success, but arguably without a mask the psychology would be different. In great part it is precisely because in our approach there are ALWAYS such questions that we just jettison the whole nonsense of keeping score. Each person makes of it what they will. And again, it some cases it may be a bit glib to assume that the man in the DB fight will fight the same in a different fight. e.g. shaped hardwood, blade, no gear, etc. I do strongly believe that he will do so better for "the Dog Brother Experience". Although I think he does not realize just how many injuries there are at a Gathering (e.g. many broken hands finish the fight, the ruptured ear drum, the peeing blood the next day from a kidney shot, etc etc) overall Doc's points have merit. I like that "Everything works and everything doesn't but never at the same time." Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "AUSTIN3_16" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:20:11 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Stockton Seminar ? Does anyone have any info on the upcoming seminar in Stockton this Sept 30th ? I think it's being hosted be Vince Cabales ? +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The coolest site for free home pages, email, chat, e-cards, movie info.. | | http://www.goplay.com - it's time to Go Play! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: Scytale Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Solo training >From: "Earl Baylon" > >I'm just another practitioner trying to get back into the swing of things. >I was wondering if anyone had some training tips for solo training (helpful >music and drills) and training in confined spaces. (i.e. a college campus >apartment) I would greatly appreciate it if someone could suggest >something. Also, I was wondering if anyone knew about the laws on carrying >a knife in California. I've been practicing on my own for a few months now. While I am far from being an expert, I have a couple of things that might help if you can find some outdoor space. Since I live in an apartment I don't have much space indoors and my neighbors would not put up with a lot of footwork over their heads. I do my practicing out near our tennis courts. - - If you have a light pole that people wouldn't mind you beating on, you can bungee a thai pad or two around it and use for empty hand or weapon practice. You can put them at different levels to simulate target areas on an opponent. I use this mostly with empty hand, but it should also work with sticks. - - Put a hole all the way through a tennis ball. Thread a piece of chord through the holes and tie so the ball stays centered. Then tie loops into each end of the chord. You can now string it between two bungees (love those bungees). You can find many creative places to hang it and do target practice with your sticks. - - As for drills, there are *lots* of things you can do while practicing your triangle footwork and it takes very little space. Any sort of empty hand or weapon work can be done while working triangles and sidesteps. Hope these help; enjoy! Bryan Creel shadow_of_the_dawn@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:27:54 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #420 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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