From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #423 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 31 Aug 2000 Vol 07 : Num 423 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #421 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #421 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #422 eskrima: trapping/other comments eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #422 eskrima: Sparring Situations eskrima: cognitive dissonance eskrima: Stockton Little Manila Project Needs Your Support eskrima: New Web site eskrima: Sayoc Seminar in Toronto- September 3 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:22:09 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #421 Just one thing on trapping: a lot of people nowadays get into being a "trapper" that kind of defeats the purpose of a fight. The idea of fighting is to HIT the opponent, period. Trapping is simply barrier removal just as if you need your boots but they are behind your tennis shoes either reach over or remove the tennis shoes to get your boots. All we do with a trap is clear our way to our primary objective which is to hit and inflict damage on our opponent. Fma just, in my opinion, provides a superior way of doing so. ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:56:19 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #421 From Marc MacYoung Mike said >I agree ... but I don't know that this is really a fault of the "art." I think this is a problem that has arisen from people getting their training at seminars. They assume that what they see at seminars is the entirety of the system/art ... then >they go back and teach their incomplete understanding as "the system/art." While I will be the first to admit that seminar training can be fragmented (and don't get me started on one-seminar wonders), I'm going to have to politely cough and say "ummmm...but what about?" In many ways I have to look at what it takes to stay in business and maintain a student base. You don't keep the electricity on and rent paid by telling someone "here work on this and come back in a year." Personally I think a lot of the stuff that has crept in and been over-emphasized have more to do with focusing on minutia to keep students' interest and working to perfect complicated moves so they don't get bored and move on...thereby losing you money. Now to just throw another factor, how many people teach what they can do well rather than what the student can do? Something I am adiment about teaching at seminars is, "Yeah, I can do it, but that doesn't mean you can do it. What you need to learn is what you can do right now" >While hard to find, I think that there are instructors/schools who do teach the realistic foundation of the Filipino arts. :D Do you know that when asked somewhere around 80% of the people say that they are "good drivers?" Do the math, it doesn't work. In the same vein, how do you tell the difference without having gone out and studied far and wide to know the difference between realistic and razzel dazzel arts? ------------------------------ From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:11:40 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #422 In a message dated 8/30/00 5:42:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Animal putting his money where his mouth is >> I'd say "Animal making money where his mouth is!" Nothing wrong with capitalism and all.... Good to see you've come down off you high horse I fear the rarified air was getting to you brain. All in fun, Travis ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 20:22:53 EDT Subject: eskrima: trapping/other comments << From: mk322@juno.com said I wish some person more experienced than I, would comment on the whole trapping aspect. Actually I personally wish that there was less lip service to the idea of it being an opportunity move and then hyperfocusing on the training of doing it. What you say you are going to do and what your training teaches you to do should at least be in the same county. >you are basically saying you would prefer the Japanese model of (say) Swordfighting, of one-stroke-one-kill, where you end the fight in one deadly strike. No, what I am saying is that the only time you are legally only justified in using a knife on someone when you are in "Immediate danger of death or grevious bodily injury." In other words, since the guy is actively trying to punch your ticket, you don't have time to stand there and fight. If you do try to fight, the guy is going to gut you like a fish. You have a maximum of two moves before the odds catch up with you, don't piss them down the drain. And that is exactly what trying to "fight" someone with a knife will do. >But what if you are with your family? or you are old, and your knee is acting up again, or you are at home etc.... you are saying Arnis/Escrima should teach _when_ to runaway? Ah...the Freudian answer. Anytime you talk with a Freudian analyst either you agree with their diagnosis or - if you don't - then then you are obviously in denial of the issue. You're basic catch 22. What amazes me is how often people who are training with knives just absolutey HAVE to fight. By gosh, golly gum they always come up with scenarios where they would be justified in whipping out that puppy and carving their way out of a gang to save their geriatic, arthritic and asmathic grandmother. You know, worst case scenarios are usually pretty easy to avoid if you pay attention to your surroundings. Remember, the family who runs together stays together. As I often say about 27 ninja scenarios (What do I do if I'm walking down a blind alley, with $20 bills hanging out of my pockets and 27 ninjas with Uzi's jump me) "You die...but what the hell were you doing in that stupid situation in the first place?" If you are with your family, don't go into places where you will have to knife fight. If you are old, don't go down dark alleys and tailor you time. If you are in your home set up the safety measures so you aren't surprised with someone standing over your bed >I thought these all three went under the heading of "technique"? That with the effective power delivery, blade control, you developed speed, which rounded your technique. Principle. Technique changes, principle doesnt >Would this mean that Escrima is too offensive, and not defensive enough? Is that a fair interpretation? No, I mean you had better be more concerned that the guy is trying to kill you than showing him how good of a fighter you are >Are you saying that certain styles of Arnis/Escrima are not "naturally oriented" (a person wouldn't be able to do them under stress/they don't have the right "physics" behind them)....? Not necessarily. If you ask an old Maestro you'd be amazed at how much he focuses on things that are only given lip service to (i.e. footwork and avoidance). Remember, under stress you will drop back to what you know. If you learned to stand there and flail you will get carved. ------------------------------ From: "Phil Tong" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 18:21:26 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #422 > From Marc "Animal" MacYoung snip > You are going to see knife work and survival techniques that are unlike > anything else you have ever seen. No matter what your level of skill, > experience or system, I guarantee you will never look at blade > work in the same manner again. > > For more information http://www.diac.com/~dgordon/schedule > > Contact: Connie English > (925) 256-9879 http://www.webtigress.com > Class size is severely limited (small room) so reserve early Cool! I am so there but save me a spot the website no worky right now to make the reservation!!! Phil ------------------------------ From: Gary Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:56:30 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Sparring Situations In a stick sparring situation, 2 sides exchanges blows and hits at the same time, then how to determine which side win the fight ? Since if count how many hits each side get, then we no need to study so many technqiues, just stand there and try to hit each other as many as we can. Furthermore, I have seen many sparrings in real and as well as movie clips from the internet, it seems there is no way to completely avoid being hit by other party, even through you are a very good fighter. As a result, what is the best way to find out who fought better in a sparring situations ? ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:45:25 -0700 Subject: eskrima: cognitive dissonance A Howl of Greeting to All: Just a quick yip to say that I like Animal's point about tension between training and the monkey brain expressed with his usual pithiness. As for his point about trapping, if I imagine correctly his thinking, its right as far as it goes, but IMHO it doesn't go far enough. Yip, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:09:15 EDT Subject: eskrima: Stockton Little Manila Project Needs Your Support Subject: Stockton Little Manila Project Needs Your Support >NCPASO Mailing List - http://www.csuchico.edu/ncpaso > >Please forward widely. Thank you! > >Dear Friends, > >We need your support letters to designate our old Little Manila area in >Stockton as a city historical site. Last May, the Redevelopment Commission >demolished a block of downtown Stockton at the intersection of El Dorado >and Lafayette streets to make way for a gas station and fast food >restaurant. As the buildings came down, few realized that the block had >incredible significance in the history of Stockton and the history of >Filipina/o Americans. The block was part of a four-block area of downtown >that has been known as "Little Manila" to generations of Filipina/o >Americans and Stockton residents. > >So that all of Stockton can learn our heritage in this city and so that >future generations of Filipino Americans nationwide will never forget, we >at the Filipino American National Historical Society, Stockton, California >chapter, have proposed that the four block intersection of Little Manila be >designated as a city historical site and that a marker be placed at the >site. We need the entire community's support in order to make this happen. >Our proposal has been approved by the Cultural Heritage Board but needs to >be approved by the Planning Commission and City Council this fall. > >You, your family members, relatives, or friends may have known the >intersection of Lafayette and El Dorado Streets, and the blocks surrounding >that intersection, as "Little Manila." From the 1920s to the 1970s, that >neighborhood had the largest concentration of Filipino American businesses, >organizations, and families in the nation. Businesses and organizations >such as the Los Filipinos Tailoring Shop, Quezon Hotel, Supnet Garage, >Lafayette Lunch Counter, Legionarios del Trabajo, Filipino Federation of >America, the United Farm Workers, and Caballeros de Dimas Alang thrived >from the 1920s on, until most of the community was torn down for the >Crosstown Freeway in the late 1960s. Writers and scholars such as Carlos >Bulosan, Drs. Dorothy and Fred Cordova, Tim Cordova, and Dr. Joan May >Cordova have immortalized the neighborhood in their books, poems and >articles. Students around the nation who take Filipina/o American and Asian >American history classes at universities and colleges learn how EI Dorado >Street was so important to early Pinoys and Pinays. Unfortunately, few >Stocktonians -- Pinays and Pinoys and non-Filipinos -- know of our history >in downtown. > >We need your support. Please write a letter of support by September 8 for >the proposal to designate Little Manila as a historic site in Stockton. A >sample letter of support follows this letter, but please feel free to write >creative and personal letters that include your own memories, experiences >and knowledge. Please either send your letter via email to me >(dmabalon@mindspring.com) or write snail-mail and address your letters to: > >Dianne Smith Stockton Cultural Heritage Board Stockton City Planning 345 N. >El Dorado Street Stockton, CA 95202-1997 > > If you'd like to join the project, or if you have further questions, >please email me. > >Thank you so much, > >Dawn Bohulano Mabalon Little Manila Project Chair > >"I asked the hoboes where...I would be sure to find my countrymen. 'El >Dorado Street,' they said. It was like a song...I saw many Filipinos in >magnificent suits standing in front of poolrooms and gambling houses. There >must have been hundreds in the street somewhere, waiting for the night. I >walked eagerly among them, looking into every face and hoping to see a >familiar one." Carlos Bulosan, "America Is In The Heart" > >Sample Letter of Support for the Little Manila Landmark Project > >Dianne Smith Secretary, Stockton Cultural Heritage Board City of Stockton >Planning Commission 345 N. El Dorado St. Stockton, California 95202-1997 > >Dear Ms. Smith, > >We are/ I am in wholehearted support of the proposal to designate the >Little Manila neighborhood in downtown Stockton as a city historic site. > >Filipina/o immigrants came to the West Coast by the thousands in the early >part of the century, and several thousand were drawn to Stockton for its >proximity to the Central Valley's agricultural fields, to San Francisco, >and its central location in between Filipino labor centers in Alaska and >Los Angeles. Several thousand Filipina/os settled in Stockton beginning in >the 1920s and 1930s and were highly concentrated near Chinatown and the >Japanese quarter at the intersection of Lafayette and El Dorado Streets in >downtown Stockton. > >Filipina/o Americans called their community "Little Manila," for dozens of >Filipina/o businesses, organizations, churches, hotels, restaurants and >families resided there, such as the Lafayette Lunch Counter, Billones >Photography, the Filipino Lighthouse Mission, the Quezon Hotel, the Aklan >Hotel, the Hollywood Bath House and Shoe Shine Shop, and the Los Filipinos >Tailoring Shop, to name only a few. > >Urban renewal and the Crosstown Freeway demolished most of the neighborhood >in the 1970s, though memories of the community live on in the writings of >poets, novelists, and academics such as Carlos Bulosan and Filipina/o >American historians who are researching the community. > >Until the 1980s, Stockton was home to the largest Filipino community >outside of Manila. The Little Manila area was unique to Stockton, for >nowhere else in the nation did Filipina/o Americans establish such a >vibrant and bustling ethnic enclave. Filipina/os nationwide can trace their >roots to the thousands of early Filipina/o immigrants who tilled the >fields, cut asparagus, and picked grapes and peaches in the fertile Central >Valley and who called Stockton their home. > >Filipina/os are the largest Asian American group in San Joaquin County and >in the nation. However, the history of this large and important ethnic >group has been largely forgotten and under-researched. By designating the >area as a historic site, Stockton would make an important statement about >the history and contributions of Filipina/o Americans in the Central Valley >and the West. > >Sincerely, > >(your name here, signed and printed) (your address) ------------------------------ From: dcarpent@csc.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:12:33 +0000 Subject: eskrima: New Web site Hi everybody. I am just emerging from the safety and obscurity of lurking to let you all know that Bob Breen now has a web site! The URL is http://www.bobbreen.co.uk/ For those of you who don't know Bob is one of the major figures in both the Fillipino martial arts and JKD in Britain. So if you're planning on being in London anytime soon (or even if you're not) check it out! Anyway, before I revert to my previous silent mode I'd like to say thanks to all the people who help make this list one of the the best martial arts resources on the net and in particular to Ray for making it all possible. Dave Carpenter ------------------------------ From: Sean Maguire Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Sayoc Seminar in Toronto- September 3 Posted at the request of Tuhon Chris Sayoc Sayoc Seminar in Toronto- September 3 DATE: Sunday, September 3, 2000 TIME: 1pm-5pm COST: $50.00 PLACE: Royal Canadian Legion 9 Dawes Road, Toronto, Ontario south of Danforth Ave. (east side) For more information please contact Guro Jun De Leon at: Tel: (416) 750-3768 Fax: (416) 750-0911 email: gurojun@arnisacademy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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