From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #426 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 11 Sept 2000 Vol 07 : Num 426 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Hock's Videos eskrima: The Purloined Letter eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #425 Re: eskrima: FMA in Boston eskrima: Re: List back up eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #425 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:30:41 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Hock's Videos I have not seen any of Hock's knife videos, but have seen a few of his hand to hand ones. They are decent. He teaches some good stuff, and has a good teaching style. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:23:24 EDT Subject: eskrima: The Purloined Letter From Marc MacYoung Meester Crafty said... <>In the training, the traps are released, in fighting they are not Yep, no, maybe, sometimes...I do however think you have a better handle on the subject (excuse the pun) of what I am talking about than most. Let me tell you guys a story that happened to me. An incident that taught me several "life lessons" about fighting in general, but "knife fighting" in specific. Many years ago I was a young cocky "Knife Fighter"...by gawd I was a stud. I clanked when I walked. At the time, I had already had several knife encounters and I was using Applegate's system as taught to me by an ex-gang member from East LA. I was tuff.... *sniff sneer* Anyway I met up with an old timer by the name of Alain Khan. Now at the time Alain was a scruffy, 50-something, beer bellied, balding, bugged eyed, snaggle-toothed old fart. However, in his youth, he had been an Airborne Ranger, doing some specialized "work". In order to understand what happened to me, you need to know that he had been wounded in Vietnam in 1958. Now for those of you who know history...we weren't in Vietnam in 1958...right? Wrong...Eisenhower had been sending in "special advisors." In a nutshell, it was black ops wetwork. Alain's team would sneak into villages and find the leader of the Communist cadre and kill him in his home. The villagers would wake up the next morning and find the guy they had feared splattered all over his hut. Later the SEALs would perfect this sort of move and call it a "Snatch and Grab" but it had been going on long before we "officially" got involved. Alain had been the knife man who did the redecorating. Now all of this sounds like macho fantasy, except for one thing. Alain and I were talking shop one day and I mentioned to him that there was a knife fighting stance that had been giving me trouble. I showed it to him and he said "oh that's easy." Wrong answer...remembering that I am such a total stud, you don't tell me that something that is giving ME trouble is easy. I was highly offended by this old fart making light of my awesome skills...didn't he know who I was? Well we got practice knives (sticks) and squared off. The first lesson I learned was that if you square off with someone and he politely asks you if you are ready, it is not go well for you.(kids, keep this in mind). The next thing I know this old fat guy "blurred." I mean he was stationary one second and somewhere else the next faster than I could follow. I felt myself being grabbed and jerked (lop sau), but at the same time his "knife" slammed into the side of my chest, under my arm and directly in line with my heart. Game over... I want you to recognize the critical difference. I was there to fight, he was there to be the one who walked away. I was a knife fighter, he was a killer. I had all sorts of things I was going to do to him to show him how good I was. Unfortunately, while I was planning, he was doing. Because of the difference in attitudes, even with all my training, skill and experience, I had a snowball's chance in hell against a guy over twice my age and whose gut arrived five seconds before he did. I kind of found religion that day...not just one, but all of them. I thank God, Allah, Buddha, Yawah, the Great Spirit and Bob the Mechanic...that I learned the difference in a practice match and not the real thing. I wouldn't be here today had I not been that fortunate. Thank you "whoever" for that taste of humble pie, it would save my life many times over in later years. However, I will also point out having learned the difference, I never looked at "fighting" in the same way. I quit calling myself a "knife fighter" and critically reexamined everything I thought I knew and discovered exactly why Alain had been able to just walk right in through my supposedly invincible defenses. Despite all of my training and experience, I was nowhere near as tough as I thought I was. And I was intitiated into what the "real thing" really is. And trust me, you don't want to go there. I will suggest Senor Crafty that the idea of "letting go" is more of a mental issue than a physical. Alain didn't let go with his lop sau -- and in that you are correct -- but he immediately mentally moved away from it to more important issues. Namely making sure he was the one who would be home for supper that night. ------------------------------ From: Whytewlfe@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:51:31 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #425 In a message dated 9/11/00 10:11:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Another point about these drills and exercises is that perfecting them, and even being able to use them in a real encounter may be counter-productive. Someone had an excellent post about this on another forum. They had asked one of their teachers if he knew the hubad-lubad drill. The teacher was able to execute it perfectly, from his knowledge of the sticks, but afterwards, he simply said that it was interesting, but why not just smack the guy instead of playing with him. That short statement sums up my philosophy very neatly, and I believe, points out one of the major problems with the teaching of FMA today. Steve >> Instead of being dismissive of hubad - lubad, this teacher should have told his student that hubad is not a technique to be executed, rather it's simply a method to develop attributes. Our system focuses on close & medium range, & hubad - lubad does wonders for my reflexes & timing in that close space. Tom ------------------------------ From: Arthur Sennott Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:46:42 -0400 Subject: Re: eskrima: FMA in Boston I teach FMA on the Cape (Centerville & Orleans). I focus primarily on blade and empty hand. In addition I teach Russian/Soviet military arts (Systema), which contain a fair amount of unique bladework. For Russian arts, I also teach a class in Boston once a week. Arthur ------------------------------ From: "billlowery" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:36:55 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: List back up > From: Ray Terry > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 7:29:20 PDT > Subject: eskrima: list back up > > I'm back from Ohio, the list is back up. > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com And boy, did we miss you ;-) Bill ------------------------------ From: Justo370@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:51:31 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #425 In a message dated 9/11/00 10:13:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Kjowers194@cs.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:30:20 EDT Subject: eskrima: MULTIPLE OPPONENTS >> I was taught from the beginning, even BEFORE training in the martial arts, is to "watch your back!" No matter where you are and what you do, you should constantly know your surrondings. In your scenario, the "victim" seemed to be too focused on the "attacker" and not look to see if anyone else was around, especially behind him. In addition, you should always have an "escape route", even if you beat the crap out of your attacker. It's about self-DEFENSE, remember? Before you can train for multiple opponents from a technical standpoint, you need to go back to basics and always use common sense --- i.e., watch your back. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:17:33 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #426 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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