From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #432 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 14 Sept 2000 Vol 07 : Num 432 In this issue: eskrima: Seminar ... eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia Seminar eskrima: Invade Florida eskrima: Re: Hubud eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #426 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Casto" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:11:16 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Seminar ... Oh ... and I guess while I'm at it I should plug the Camp Lansdale in Nacogdoches, Texas. The instructors will be: GM John Pellegrini (Combat Hapkido) Master Pedro Rodriguez (Groundfighting) Prof. Joe Lansdale (Shen Chuan) Guru Mike Casto (Kali and Silat) The dates are Oct. 6 - 8. For more information and details visit http://www.joerlansdale.com/shenchuan/newsletter/volume2/issue3/issue3cover. htm Regards, Mike - ------------- This is the law: The purpose of fighting is to win! There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental. -- John Steinbeck ------------------------------ From: "Danny Terrell" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:05:33 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia Seminar To all of you in the Louisiana area. The South La. PROGRESSIVE Martial Arts Club is hosting Tuhon Bill McGrath for a Pekiti-Tirsia seminar. If you have an interest in the Pekiti-Tirsia system don't miss this opportunity to train with the Highest ranking Pekiti-Tirsia instructor in the U.S. When: Sept. 23 - 24 Where: Holiday Inn Conference room New Iberia, La. Time: 9am-5pm with a break for lunch Contact Danny Terrell for more information Ph # 337-364-2786 after 6pm Wk# 337-364-9721 e-mail dterrell@cox-internet.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Invade Florida Anyone here in Florida that is interested in full contact stickfighting. One of our young beginning fighters (one of the three I spoke of a while back) moved to Florida and was wondering if anyone would like to help him continue his training. I think he still wants to get even with me for that toe stomp. He has absolutely no official MA skills or lessons, other than me telling him to hit hard and move his leg when someone swings for it. He needs to work on his stick, but has developed a nice knife fighting style using aluminum daggers and fencing mask-no glove. Anyway, he's not as opinionated as myself, and I am sure is open to full contact as well as not so full contact training. He may also be interested in boxing/MT, etc. Thanks all, you can e-mail me personally or on the list. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Terry Tippie Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:46:27 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Hubud I had an interesting experience recently that changed the way I think about Hubud while attending the Oregon Muay Thai Camp. Ajarn Chai Sirisute seperated us into groups of three for rounds of plum (standing lock-up & knee) sparring. As it turns out I wound up with Dan Inosanto for a sparring partner (along with Vic the advanced Muay Thai class instructor from the Inosanto Academy). The three of us spent three or four hours throwing knees at each other over the course of the five day camp. By the time we finished the grassy field (aka "the field of screams") that we started in was a dust bowl. The first thing that I noticed is that Guro Inosanto had a fundamentally different structure for knee sparring, and it was one I had a hard time dealing with. The classical Thai plum lockup is pretty tight. In fact, regular Muay Thai plum looks kinda like you are hugging the guy and throwing knees into his stomach at the same time. I asked why was he doing knee sparring so differently. Guro Inosanto crinkled his eyebrow at me and said, "Grappling. Because the Gracies take away most of the standing plum and we have to adapt." Guro I had a structure where he would leave about a foot of space between our bodies while he moved his hands in a pretty efficient way to keep me from closing on him. Meanwhile, he was very efficient at nailing me in the legs with curved knees and VERY efficient at preventing me from closing. His structure had me feeling pretty confused, so I asked him about it the next day over breakfast. He explained, "That's LaCoste hubud." I objected that it looked like he was opening himself up for a highline punch or a straight knee #2. Then he showed me why I couldn't punch and knee because he was monitoring and jamming both the knee and shoulder quite efficiently. The basic hand position looked like his left hand monitors my left hip and his right hand monitors my right shoulder whereby his hands kind of wind up almost in a cross block position. The actual catch & lift from the basic classroom hubud drill is only used on occasion when the energy is right. The normal Muay Thai approach of blast right through the obstruction didn't seem to work here, and I quickly found myself removing the barrier, attacking the obstructing limb or backing away and boxing. A day later I asked Ajarn Chai after lunch about what he thought about Guro Inosanto's approach. He nodded and said, "Yes, but I can get him." He nodded at me and lowered his chin in a familiar signal to "go for it". I did, and Ajarn Chai did a basic scooping cross parry from Muay Thai and placed his foot on my neck. And giggled. Then I went back and tried this counter on Guro Inosanto. Of course, with my timing he could counter it easily with at least seven or eight moves. And, guess what, Ajarn Chai had a counter for each of them. The experience was a lot of fun. I gained some insight into both the plum and hubud drills which, despite having worked on them for quite a while, I had totally missed. Respectfully, Terry Tippie Pacifica, California USA Perhaps the most awkward moment of plum sparring came when I did an osotogare (sp?) throw on Guro Dan. Guro Dan started laughing, but I realized that Ajarn Chai was standing behind me scowling and said, "This is not Jujutsu class." So, feeling rather embarrassed I tried to give Guro Dan a hand up, which he used to try to pull me down into the guard. >From: Just This Guy >Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:46:53 -0500 (CDT) >Subject: eskrima: Re: Hubud >Maybe hubud is there to train 1000 things that should just happen >accidentally in a fight? If I got into it with someone today, I'd be >concentrating on hitting them, kicking their shins, et cetera. Maybe >hubud trains reflexes so that when you get in that range, your arms will >have "knowledge below the shoulder," reflexes that might or might not >happen that are distillations of thousands of years of fighting. Say >hubud has a 20% chance of messing up a guy's attacks in SOME way, however >it does that, for every attack. Multiply that times maybe, say, 20 fist >exchanges in a fight (maybe high, maybe low) and you have, say, 4 of his >attacks that are getting dissolved and countered. Assume, now, that >someone's been doing all permutations of hubud for 20 years. I don't want >that person mad at me. >Maybe hubud drills in little reflexes to make accidents happen in your >favor, thousands of repetitions of litle trapping scenarios, while maybe >your opponent is not getting any, or is spending his time doing onesteps, >say 1 rep every 10 seconds. Sounds better now? > ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:55:11 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #426 Re :"knife fighting and knife fighters" The idea of being a knife fighter is pretty weird to me.....I told Hock once the reason I didn't join his group was that the last thing I wanted the DA to come up with a certificate that said "Master Knife Fighter" with my name on it if I ever had to appear for an armed altercation. For some time now we have called our classes "edged weapons awareness" training. A lot of the BS games we have to play are silly but can mean the difference between jail and freedom. Another thing to consider......the name of the knife you carry. A Cold Steel "voyager" doesn't have the same conotations to a jury as an "Assasin" Silly world we live in isn't? ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:38:30 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #432 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.