From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #443 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 22 Sept 2000 Vol 07 : Num 443 In this issue: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Stepping around Dog Poop eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #442 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #442 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #442 eskrima: Video review eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #442 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, the Martial Arts Resource, Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Luis Pellicer Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:22:02 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >It was only after the Gathering was over that I learned = >that he had spoken loudly with my wife. You never come down on a persons wife, no matter what your problems with him may be. Out here, that is a definite breach of certain rules of engagement. (Stay away from wife, kids, home) You attack someones wife, it becomes VERY personal. This should be avoided. Bad form. LPIII ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:40:35 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Stepping around Dog Poop Most appeals to reason don't work on the unreasonable. About the only thing you can do is walk around dog poop instead of step in it. A not of profit, free, family event of friends gathering in a public park (maybe not selling anything) is either legal or not. Those of you with kids bring them Saturday like I always do. Let them see what you do and involve them in all aspects of your life. Show HBPD and others that this is a family gathering. One dumb guy with a whistle will eventually go out of breath if everyone ignores him. Everyone should park legal there are many parking lots around. Pick-up your own trash and have a great day. Regards, Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. > ------------------------------ > > From: "Marc Denny" > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:11:01 -0700 > Subject: eskrima: Threat to the Gathering > > A Howl of Greeting to All: > > > As noted on the invitation to the Gathering of the Pack, it is a = > good trick holding such an event in a public park. We have been at the = > current location for 10 years and have always made sure that the = > neighborhood is comfortable with us. In those 10 years there has never = > been a complaint to us or to the authorities. =20 > > This time it appears that there is a problem. I am informed by a Sgt. = > Heard of the Hermosa Beach Police Department that one Steve Reiter has = > made a complaint to the City Manager Steve Burrell of Hermosa Beach that = > an illegal activity (i.e. The Gathering) will be taking place this = > Saturday. ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:43:16 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #442 In a message dated 9/21/00 6:35:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << his time it appears that there is a problem. I am informed by a Sgt. = Heard of the Hermosa Beach Police Department that one Steve Reiter has = made a complaint to the City Manager Steve Burrell of Hermosa Beach that = an illegal activity (i.e. The Gathering) will be taking place this = Saturday. (Steve is a member of this list and signs his name as "steve = reiter".) I do not know what course of action that the authorities will take. Although he now complains about the Gathering to the authorities, = several years ago steve participated in Gatherings. As those of you on = the list for more than 10 months may remember, steve and I don't get = along too well. I have tried to avoid his repeated efforts at engaging = with me, but he seems determined to not move on and came to the last = Gathering and acted in a way that many observers found disruptive and = disrespectful. It was only after the Gathering was over that I learned = that he had spoken loudly with my wife. As some of you noted, the = invitation to this Gathering noted that it was limited to "friends of = the Dog Brothers only". This change was with steve in mind. As best as I can tell, steve is looking to get at me for whatever = wrongs that he thinks that I have done him by disrupting and shutting = down this event which the rest of the Dog Brothers and I have worked so = hard to build over the last 10 years. That this event is valued as a = research laboratory by many in the Filipino Martial Art community does = not seem to matter to him. That this would ruin the experience for = which people have traveled at great expense after much training from as = far as Switzerland, Canada, New York etc does not seem to be of concern = to him. Thus, what I would like to ask of everyone here on the Digest to try = to persuade him: 1) to not call the authorities or make other problems for the event; 2) to not come. >> first off marc, i didnt go to the police - however i will be contacting them to see what exactly did transpire between yourself and sgt heard (i'm sure everyone knows that police never disclose the source of thier information, so i dont know what your tring to pull here)- then i will be speaking to my attorney about liable and slander - secondly when have you ever avoided engaging or enraging me - i've tried to avoid you - while you on the other hand sneak off behind my back and tell sled dog not to give me a private lesson, or tell guro dan some things and get me kicked out of the academy, or go and tell all the guy's at the pekiti camp- "oh that thing steve just showed you wont work, he doesnt know what he's talking about" ect. ect. ect. .- third you where the only one who found my presence at the last gathering a disturbance - sure i had a video camera - HEY BUD IT'S A FREE COUNTRY AND IT'S A PUBLIC PARK - since when do you have exclusive rites to it? i could go and set up a volleyball net, have a picnic - walk my dogs, read a book, or any other damn thing i choose, at any time i choose, and you aint got a thing to say about it. as a matter of fact - since i'm a resident of hermosa beach, and your not, you dont even have the right to obtain a permit for the park, and i do. i could hold a BBQ there if i like and you couldnt do a thing to say about it. fourth - your wife was the one who got loud with me - - maybe you should learn how to keep here in line if you dont want anyone getting into a shouting match with her. i was minding my own bussiness, keeping very quite, filming (as where at least 4 others that i know of) when she started ranting and raving at me. fifth - it's not your place or park to invite or not invite "friends...". remember "PUBLIC PARK" - i suppose you would mean to keep out the entire citizenry of hermosa because they arent friends. just who do you think you are? sixth - i'm not looking to get even - i'm not dumb - like i said - i could get there earlier than you - and do anything that the law allows to be done in a public park that could be a hinderence to the gathering - i dont need to go to the city - i prefer to deal with my problems in a one on one basis with the offending person, not run to some authority figure who has power - like going and cring to someones teacher "boo hoo - he's talking about me, make him stop. dont let him train here anymore - boo hoo". seventh - the inosanto academy was valued as a research laboratory to me, but that didnt stop you from whineing to guro dan and paula and having me thrown out, did it? - eight -as far as my phone number - the I academy has it, ron balicki has it - a hundred others have it - - you also know where i train - you could have shown up there - even if it took several attemps - you could have easily found me - nineth -being a former lawyer, you know legality has EVERYTHING to do with it. and the fact that you are coming to my town makes it even worse. tenth -i reiterate your wife approached me, and i suggest you save your comments of never approaching someone for her. eleventh -i would have preferred you go your way as well, but your the one who found it nessescary to go to guro dan with all your little complaints - very interesting for you to play the victim - when, just like a lawyer, you do your attacking in back handed ways, so you look innocent - lets not forget - all this started when you attacked me with a staff at the i. academy - all because i happen to walk past you, and you thought i should have walk 3 blocks outta my way to get some equipt. - it resulted in keith getting hit in the face - but he got hit do to your lack of control - not because i walked by - gee marc, know that you cant have me thrown out of inosanto, you gonna try to have me thrown out of the machados ? steve ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:14:57 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #442 i would like to point out to anyone who didnt catch it - that mark knows how i sign my e-mails, and hence my e-mail address - if he wanted to contact me he could have done it via private e-mail - he, however choose to "play" the victim once again, and display any problem he has in a public forum, looking for public sympathy - under the diguse of haveing no other way to contact me - - please - proves to me just how insincere he is. steve ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 05:38:50 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #442 marc- if as you say the gatherings are just for the research and development of fma - - why do you hock your wares at the events - tee shirts, video's, ect. also why dont you want others taping their fights - could it be that you just wish to make money off of others toils - you tape it for future use in video's - i purpose the sole reason for the gatherings are just so you can make money off of others - you dont fight anymore - what other reason can it be - i'm sure that many others see through your philanthropist facad steve ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Video review Well Crafty, at worst, the Dog Brothers will always find lots of Aloha in Hawaii. On another note, I was wondering if anyone saw the following tape from www.appliedsciences.com . Actual URL is http://www.appliedcombatsciences.com/wkcworld.htm but the vid over view is below. BEGIN: 1999 DUMPAG This tape gives you 2 Open Weight, Empty Hands, Elimination Tournaments (Novice & Advanced) of REAL NHB, Submission Fighting. Stiking & Grappling with Elbows, Knees and Headbutts allowed. Fighters wear only finger free gloves and no other protection. See Devastatingly Sharp Punches, Punishing Kicks, Powerful Elbows, Knees & Headbutts along with Throws, Take-Downs, Skillful Grappling and Painful Submissions. Fighters from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Muay Thai, Agas-Kilat Dumpag, Krabi Krabrong, Wrestling, Jeet Kune Do, Silat and Irish Shoot Fighting engage in this most realistic and unrestricted tournament of empty hands submission combat. WKC-3) VHS 60 MINS. PRICE: $39.95 (See A Special Set Price At The End) END. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Dale" Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:43:46 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #442 I think I speak for the Defensor Method clan when I say that we wholeheartedly support the research the Dog Brothers have done for the arts. Although we have never fought in gatherings, we learn from their sweat and bruises. Although I have never met Marc in person, he has helped me grow through written correspondence, (before this list) phone, and email. That says a lot about his character and his commitment to growth in general. Marc, I hope you can continue to research and grow. - ------------------------------------------- See you in the sticks, Dale MCP, MCP+I, MCSE Wk: 804-292-7421 www.kalieskrima.com - ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 8:29:45 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #443 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.