From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #477 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 11 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 477 In this issue: eskrima: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:12:19 +0100 eskrima: Master's Demo CD eskrima: Tuhon eskrima: Titles eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #476 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Suro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Richard Killick" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eskrima: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:12:19 +0100 I have a big problem with this, Marines sole purpose, as in all infantry types in to find the enemy and kill or maim them. Any one else in the Marines is there to help them accomplish that task. Since the late eighties, it has become very fashionable to use troops as full time peace keepers, with the training to match. What happens on the next peace keeping mission when our sensitive, kindly troops meet up with some third world army whose sole mission in life is to kill the enemy. Ill tell you what happens, we get our butts kick. Maybe the UN should start using police men or some special peace keeping force. Here's a quote from me: Good PR, political correctness can get you killed. Any serving Marines think differently? ""He hopes that the training will be especially useful on peacekeeping missions, where Marines may have to disarm angry civilians with less than lethal force. "" On a happy note: I have been away learning to climb (well fall off) and have not been paying much attention to the list, have I missed Crafty Dogs Gathering report? I hope all went well. Regards Richard Killick ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:28:42 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Master's Demo CD Greetings , I have been watching the CD that Al Sardinas made available to the ED list members with the Demonstrations by the various masters. First off I want to thank Al for doing the project because, at least in my case, it provided rare video footage of masters that I ordinarily would not have had access to. I am sure others have equally benefited as well. I got the CD primarily because it had footage of Raffy Pambuan doing a whip demo. The demo, brief as it was, demonstrated true Filipino martial movement applied to the whip and it was a pleasure to watch. The interesting thing was that the other techniques that Guro Pambuan demonstrated were of the highest order, and showed a remarkable skill level, particularly in locking and throwing. Progress with the whip book is going well and several members of the digest have been very helpful. It is things like access to this CD that will greatly imporove my presentation of the overall picture of the whip in the Filipino arts. Thanks again, Tom Meadows ------------------------------ From: "Mark Harrell" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:04:22 GMT Subject: eskrima: Tuhon From: "jose saguisabal" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:09:30 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Fwd: Re: (No Subject)/Oops! >Another thing I've thought of is what would one do if one were given >a >title by a teacher whom one respected and with whom one had studied >for >many years. What if it was a ridiculous title, like "Grand Mojo" >or >something of the sort. You'd be in a position of having to take >the title >and just deal with all the disrespect and jeers from the >peanut gallery, >something that perhaps the teacher planned all along >as a final exercise >in humility and respect. >- -JT >You mean, like the title "Datu", or "Tuhon"? Have you noticed that no >one >Filipino uses them for themselves? _________________________________________________________________ In response to the title of "TUHON" not being used by Filipinos all I have to say is read below. Although I have only listed a few that I know of the fact remains the term Tuhon is used by Filipinos. Tuhon Ben Largusa of Villabrille Kali Tuhon Mel Lopez of Villabrille Kali Tuhon Leo Gaje _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter Knuettel) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:33:36 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Titles From: "jose saguisabal" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:09:30 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Fwd: Re: (No Subject)/Oops! >> Another thing I've thought of is what would one do if one were given >> a title by a teacher whom one respected and with whom one had >> studied for many years. What if it was a ridiculous title, like "Grand >> Mojo" or something of the sort. You'd be in a position of having to >> take the title and just deal with all the disrespect and jeers from the >> peanut gallery, something that perhaps the teacher planned all along >> as a final exercise in humility and respect. >> >> - -JT > You mean, like the title "Datu", or "Tuhon"? Have you noticed that no > one Filipino uses them for themselves? Hi, well, first of all: It is between the master and the student and no one elses business. second: If the master is a respected one, he does't hand out "Grand Mojo" or something. And even if, it is between those two or at least within the organisation. If it is accepted there, it is not important what outsiders say. For example: the title Suro was made up by Mike Inay himself as he told me. So what, everyboy accepted this title as what it was ment for, Grandmaster, and ony the stupid would say: you spelled it wrong, it must be guro. Same for example with the "Maha Guro" title. If Nate Defensor chose this title it is ok. It is between him and his students, nobody else. Third: Datu used to be an often used title in the Philippies, just usually not used in the martial arts. It usually means a chieftain of a tribe or high ranking person under the sultan. If you pick on Professor Remy Presas: He gave this title roughly 6 times (could be a few more, ot important) in 26 years, that he is teaching in the west. He doesn't give it out lightly to just anybody but only to some very few selected persons. Everybody associated with him know that. One more Mike Inay: he asked me about a year before I got my Datu title, if i had a title and I said no. He replied, that is not good, (quote): you should have a title" (end of the quote). So for some people it is important for some not. So what. forth: Isn't Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje Filipino himself? If anybody has problems with these titles, it is their problems. For me it is between me and the Professor. It is imortant for him so it is important to me and nothing else. in the end, skill and knowledge are the important factors, with or withour title. Datu Dieter Knüttel European Modern Arnis Representative ABANICO Video Productions homepage: http://www.abanico.de e-mail: dk@abanico.de ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:22:47 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #476 In a message dated 10/11/00 8:53:51 AM Central Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Another thing I've thought of is what would one do if one were given a title > by a teacher whom one respected and with whom one had studied for many > years. What if it was a ridiculous title, like "Grand Mojo" or something of > the sort. You'd be in a position of having to take the title and just deal > with all the disrespect and jeers from the peanut gallery, something that > perhaps the teacher planned all along as a final exercise in humility and > respect. > > - -JT You mean, like the title "Datu", or "Tuhon"? Have you noticed that no one Filipino uses them for themselves? >> You know a lot of that comes from the fact that Americans want titles and degrees and all that, if one school has a great exalted imperial poobah for a teacher he is obviously better than the simple "Teacher" it reminds me of a saying we have in the biker world though.... "chrome don't get ya' home'.... Bear ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:40:30 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #477 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.