From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #478 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 12 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 478 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #477 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #477 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #477 eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #477 eskrima: Titles? eskrima: Marine MA eskrima: Tom Clancy eskrima: Re: Fillipinos using 'Tuhon' eskrima: Steve Plinck in Colorado eskrima: Al S. eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Suro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Ellner Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:17:06 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #477 Richard writes: > I have a big problem with this, Marines sole purpose, as in all infantry > types in to find the enemy and kill or maim them. Any one else in the > Marines is there to help them accomplish that task. No. The sole purpose of the Marines, as in all infantry types is to do whatever the hell they are told to do. It doesn't have to be what they signed up for. It almost certainly isn't going to be what they want to do. When you step over that line you are a piece of meat for the government to use as it sees fit for the duration of your term of duty. It can be finding and killing people. It can be peacekeeping. It can be fire fighting (as we saw this Summer), loading and unloading ships or anything else that the political leaders decide best serves the national interest. If you have a problem with that you should probably stay far away from the Service. > Since the late eighties, it has become very fashionable to use troops as > full time peace keepers, with the training to match. Again, it's not your place as a soldier to decide what you "should" be doing. That's not your job. It's your job to say "Yes Sir!" and do it. If the government decides that peacekeeping is the task that you are supposed to perform they'd be fools not to train you for that mission. Whether or not they should be using soldiers for that particular mission is the reason we have elections and a system of government that allows people like you and me to be involved in selecting the leaders. > What happens on the next peace keeping mission when our sensitive, kindly > troops meet up with some third world army whose sole mission in life is to > kill the enemy. We will probably do what we've done in recent decades: Pick our fights carefully so that we never go anywhere where we don't have overwhelming superiority. If that fact doesn't discourage the other side(s) we can declare victory and leave, or bomb and shell the place into a parking lot. After Vietnam the US military did a lot of public opinion research. It was determined that wars where American soldiers get sent home in body bags are unpopular. We have been moving closer to pushbutton warfare ever since. > Ill tell you what happens, we get our butts kick. Hasn't happened yet. And I include Somalia, although, frankly, we didn't belong there. And I can certainly understand why the Somalis killed UN (including US) troops. > Maybe the UN should start using police men or some special peace keeping > force. That's not a bad idea at all. Train and equip them for those duties rather than sending in people who were trained for something else. > Here's a quote from me: Good PR, political correctness can get you killed. And mindlessly going in and shooting everything that moves as you seem to favor is a damned stupid thing to do if you want to accomplish anything other than piling up heaps of bodies. Take the clusterf**k in the Balkans. If we'd gone in guns blazing killing everything that moves we'd be in a guerilla war that would make Vietnam look like Grenada. > ""He hopes that the training will be especially useful on peacekeeping > missions, where Marines may have to disarm angry civilians with less than > lethal force. "" Again, if that's their mission I surely hope that the training prepares them for it. ------------------------------ From: ST1CKS@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:22:16 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #477 does anyone know the # or e-mail address to get a copy of the masters demo tape that Al Sardinas made. thanks, Andrew Filardo ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:37:04 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #477 Has anyone out there seen the Paladin videos "silat Concepts" by Joseph Simonet, (who I understand is an instructor under maha guro Victor de Thours) and/or Rick Hernandez' Filipino Kuntao video? I would appreciate a review thanks, Bear ------------------------------ From: "David Elkins" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:24:55 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #477 Where can we get the Al Sardinas CD? Thanks. BTW, I have a friend that's been training with me a short time who is very interested in continuing his stick/knife training in the Fresno area. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. David ------------------------------ From: "Jason Inay" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:59:56 GMT Subject: eskrima: Titles? Title thread again!!!???? I think it's funny that this thread won't die..... Titles, like many things have no meaning outside of the organization or context in which it is used. What does boot mean to you? Well to most it's footwear. But in England it is the trunk of your car. hehe too funny. It is the criteria that is applied to the title that counts. The criteria is dictated by the head or body of an organization. Period. To anyone else, who cares? Title denotes both privelege and obligation. As long as the person holding the title meets the criteria, that should be enough. Grand Mojo Jason ROFL _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:29:40 EDT Subject: eskrima: Marine MA Ray and others, When I first read you post, I wondered if it was Richard Heckler involved. Thanks to Jon, I was able to read the article and found out the 5th degree Aikidoist was Heckler. Before one should dismiss this entirely, you should take a look at "In Search of the Warrior Spirit: Teaching Awareness Disciplines to the Green Berets" by Richard Strozzi Heckler. It has been a few years since I read this, but it was an interesting read. It brought up some issues that deserve being looked at, and I think those in the program benefited. There is more to learn than just the quickest and most efficient way to hurt or kill someone. In fact, Heckler, being a "peace" kind of person, had trouble with himself having to teach the "trained killers" in SF. It was good that he wrote of his coming to understand soldiers better as well. Again, it's been a bit since I read this book. But sometimes there is more to something than we see at first..... Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan Broster" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:03:32 GMT Subject: eskrima: Tom Clancy Hi I don't know if anyone has posted this before, but Tom Clancy (Hunt for Red October, Patriot Games etc) has a series of four books out about the FBI's internet division called "NETFORCE". One of the central characters is a practioner of "pukulan pentjak silat bukti negara serak" the detail seems pretty accurate to me, as are all the other references to martial arts therein. Worth a read. Mabuhay Jon http://www.geocities.com/jonbroster _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Blake" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:04:01 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Fillipinos using 'Tuhon' Don't forget Tuhon Chris Sayoc . . . ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:56:29 EDT Subject: eskrima: Steve Plinck in Colorado Howdy folks Just a reminder that Guru Steve Plink will be holding a seminar on pukulan pentjak silat serak in Castle Rock Colorado on October 21. For details, go to http://www.diac.com/~dgordon/schedule.html I will tell you the truth, no matter what level you are, or what system, this class will have a mind altering effect on what you know. Steve's understanding of martial movement transcends style, system, politics or pride. When it comes to fighting, there are not too many people on this planet who can consistently melt my mind with their understanding of the subject. Steve is one of them. I guarantee that you will walk away with a whole new depth of understanding of what you already know. Marc Animal MacYoung ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 7:24:32 PDT Subject: eskrima: Al S. > does anyone know the # or e-mail address to get a copy of the masters demo > tape that Al Sardinas made. energy_as@hotmail.com Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 7:32:58 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #478 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.