From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #487 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 17 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 487 In this issue: eskrima: wrap up eskrima: sushi? no, monsieur! eskrima: Dodville Seminar Video, eskrima: RE: datu eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 eskrima: Silat Seminar Review eskrima: Both sides now eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Suro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:39:27 PDT Subject: eskrima: wrap up Ok folks... Time to wrap up the Datu or not-to-Datu debate. (no disrespect intended) Both sides have been well heard. Thanks for understanding and moving on. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:21:23 +0100 Subject: eskrima: sushi? no, monsieur! Mr. Crafty (Conservative Libertarian?) wrote: >And as each man >leaves the traditional sushi dinner afterwards and heads back to his >semi-normal life, I suspect he too is already thinking of the next >Gathering. So much learning to manifest in the mere 7 mon What???? Sushi after stickfighting??? SUSHI??? How je ne sais quoi! The"proper" meal after this event should be "aso-cena (Baguio-style)" with "basi" or "lambanog", followed by (for those who foolishly smoke) Tabacalera Coronas...("adobong aso" or "kilawing aso" might go over well, if served with fava beans and a nice chianti....)...remember, the secret of the taste is in the breed... chef tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:31:20 EDT Subject: eskrima: Dodville Seminar Video, To all member, I just recieved the Dodgeville Retreat with Maja Guro Nate Defensor and myself giving Seminar in Regards of Pikita Tirsia, Serrada, Garimot Arnis, Moro-moro, Garimot Lubid( Basic techniques of Lubid from the Garimot Buno Arts). The Defensor Group did a very good job to hire this person to shoot this events. I watched the whole tape, he did a very decent job, if you are interested to acquire a copy of this tape just e-mail Guro Nate or Sidney Stein in Chicago, their both member of the Digest, I think the tape is also on their Website. I also will be in Chicago on the Weekend of 18 and 19 of November to do 50 blocks Ice Scultpture in the City of Chicago Sponsored by Hotel Intercontinental and City of Chicago and Maja Guro Nate and I are thinking to get together again at night, for Garimot and Defesor Seminar, so if you are interested to be part of the class e-mail me @ Gatpuno @aol.com or contact Maja Guro Nate in Chicago Kali-Eskrima Academy. Gumagalang, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Laguna Arnis Fedration International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA ------------------------------ From: "Jay de Leon" Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:28:39 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: datu Mr. Ernest Westbook's comments on the subject are very insightful. While I grew up in Manila, I lived and worked in Cotabato province in the early 1970's at the height of the Muslim-Christian conflict. I had the honor and privilege of meeting several real-life datus, who were powerful political and spiritual leaders, as well as "war lords," in the Muslim community. From my personal perspective, it would be highly inappropriate, incongruous, yes even insulting for a non-Muslim, Filipino or non-Filipino, to go around using the title of datu, albeit in a different (i.e, martial arts) context. And definitely not prudent. I would even be more specific in the (unsolicited) advice of avoiding going to RP. Definitely avoid going to the southern part of the RP, i.e., the Muslim provinces of Cotabato, Jolo, Zamboanga, etc. You will be guaranteed to see FMA up close and personal as practiced by our Muslim brothers. Jay de Leon ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:57:02 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Mime-Version: 1.0 >I understand also that there is a government agency that regulates the use >of this titles in the >Phil. (I will double-check on this.) Thanks. I did not know that this was possible. It is a good thing to have sources of correct information. It is the order of Sikatuna, bestowed by the government similar to knighthood. They use the title non-relatedly to anything that is happening in the south. LPIII ------------------------------ From: "Eric Primm" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 00:35:34 CDT Subject: eskrima: Silat Seminar Review A friend asked me to put this on the digest. My own personal experiences at the Apex have always been wonderful. Eric Primm - ---- This is a short review of a Pencak Silat seminar by Guru Roy Hagan. He is certified in Pencak Silat Mande Muda by the late Pendekar Herman Suwanda, and also in Maphilindo Silat by Guru Dan Inosanto. The seminar was at Apex Martial Arts, in Valley Park, MO (near St. Louis). Apex is run by Roy Hagan and Joe Craig, who teach silat, kali/eskrima, and jun fan/jeet kune do. The seminar was just last weekend, October 14 and 15. Guru Roy himself is a nice guy, and a great teacher. He promotes a laidback family-type atmosphere, and is obviously skilled in silat, particular the Harimau (tiger) style. The main focus of the seminar was on the tiger styles of Harimau and Pamacan. These are primarily groundfighting systems, and everything we did ended on the ground with a very painful series of pins and locks. In the silat mindset, there are actually no locks, only breaks. There were no joints that we didn't learn to lock- everything from fingers and toes, on in to the spine and neck. This is not to say that it was pure grappling, every pin, takedown, and break was set up by hits, with the primary targets being the eyes, groin, and throat; although, many different targets are exploited, most strikes being delivered by old 'uncle elbow' or 'uncle knee.' :) Another style which we were shown was another animal style- Pamonyet (monkey). There were hints of it mixed in here and there (along with many other styles, since Mande Muda is a composite style), but we didn't really get into it until the end of the second day. By then, I was tired, sore, and my brain was nearly full with all of the information Guru Roy shared. However, the energy and enthusiasm with which he demonstrated the Pamonyet style seemed to fill the air, and it was like everyone had their energy renewed, and practiced with new found excitement. While the tiger is fierce and destructive, the monkey is smaller, and has to use hit and run tactics, and everything must be done with as much force and bodyweight as the practicioner can generate. Thus, there is a lot of squatting, jumping, hopping, and rolling in monkey techniques. However, you don't have to be athletic to use the monkey style- Guru Roy addressed this specifically, and showed how the techniques can be used without the acrobatics, and without going to the ground. We were also shown empty-handed defenses from silat against the knife. Guru Roy repeatedly stressed that having to defend against a knife is a very bad thing- you should never choose to do so; you will almost invariably be cut or stabbed, and most likely cut bad. run if you can; if not, pick up a rock and throw it at him, find something around you to use as a weapon, wrap a jacket around your arm, or something- these techniques are a last resort when you have no choice. That said, the ways of defending against a knife were not pretty, but very direct, and raw, and vicious. There were two main principles underlying the techniques- 2 on 1, and isolation. The 2 on 1 principle is that you want both of your hands against his one knife hand. The isolation principle means that you want to use your entire body and everything available to isolate the knife-wielding arm from the rest of the body- typically this consisted of two hands (the 2 on 1 principle), the knee or shin, and the ground; however, there were variations- you take what you can get. When the offending limb has been isolated from the body, it can be broken and disarmed. As usual, opportunistic hits are used to set it up. Aside from physical technique, Guru Roy shared with us the history of Mande Muda, and the culture of its native Indonesia and specifically, West Java (Sunda). He also showed us some of the various blades of silat- golok, kerambit, kris, etc.- and spoke of using the martial arts as a vehicle for personal development. Balancing the physical and the spiritual, or the external and the internal, the body and the mind, are very important. Underdevelopment of one can hold back the development of the other. In conclusion, the seminar was great. The material was exciting and taught very well; Guru Roy was available and open to questions from anyone. If any of you are anywhere near St. Louis, you should pay Apex Martial Arts a visit, they're friendly people. If you have the chance to go to a Roy Hagan seminar, don't pass it up. tim _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:40:40 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Both sides now A Howl of Greeting to All: With the clear understanding that I am NOT taking sides in the thread on titles, I thought I might share two experiences I have had. The first occurred here on the ED when I made reference to my dog, an Akita whom I had named "Moro". As most of you know, I have a bit of a thing for dogs, and for me the name signified great courage and sense of purpose. Only respect was intended with the name. But I was informed that this is not how it hit the ears of many in the Philippines. What to do? I certainly couldn't explain it to the dog. Fortunately for me, here in California we have a "Morro Bay" and I renamed the dog "Morro". Since he can't spell, he can't tell the difference when I call him. :-) The second occurred when I was on the other side of the equation, and I was the one offended. I ran into someone who proudly wore a medallion consisting of a swastika inside a Star of David. I am Jewish and this triggered a visceral reaction in me. I quietly inquired as to the meaning of the symbol and frankly didn't understand the answer very well-- some sort of new age gibberish from a movement founded by a man (who I later met, but that is another story) who had been visited by aliens from another galaxy. If I understand correctly no insult is intended, but my gut reaction on the very random occasions when I run into this symbol is that there is an exploitation of the emotional power of the incongruous juxtaposition of these two symbols, and I don't like it. Again, no conclusions. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 7:43:36 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #487 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.