From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #488 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 17 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 488 In this issue: eskrima: Hot dogs anyone? eskrima: =?UTF-8?Q?"this=20is=20the=20real=20meaning=20of=20X=E2=80=A6"?= eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #487 eskrima: Re: Re: Purely Muslim? eskrima: the end ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Suro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:58:21 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Hot dogs anyone? A Howl etc: > From: tenrec > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:21:23 +0100 > Subject: eskrima: sushi? no, monsieur! > > Mr. Crafty (Conservative Libertarian?) wrote: Libertarian yes, but as for conservative-- not entirely. If we meet someday I'll tell you the tale of what happened when I was invited to meet with then Congressman Dan Lungren (later California Attorney General and Republican gubernatorial candidate) after my run for Congress in the district neighboring his. To make a long story short, I had him looking like an albino Don King. > >And as each man > >leaves the traditional sushi dinner afterwards and heads back to his > >semi-normal life, I suspect he too is already thinking of the next > >Gathering. So much learning to manifest in the mere 7 mon > > > What???? Sushi after stickfighting??? SUSHI??? How je ne sais quoi! > > The"proper" meal after this event should be "aso-cena (Baguio-style)" > with "basi" or "lambanog", followed by (for those who foolishly smoke) > Tabacalera Coronas...("adobong aso" or "kilawing aso" might go over > well, if served with fava beans and a nice chianti....)...remember, the > secret of the taste is in the breed... > > chef tenrec Well, not only is there no Filipino restaurants in out area, but the Sushi place has an all-you-can-eat deal for $20-- and a day of stickfighting will give a man a good appetite. :-) And, let me guess "aso" means "dog"? yip, yip, Crafty ------------------------------ From: EGJundis@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:46:28 EDT Subject: eskrima: =?UTF-8?Q?"this=20is=20the=20real=20meaning=20of=20X=E2=80=A6"?= What follows is more than My Humble Opinion. It is a place I choose to stand with my students, colleagues, and seniors in the arts. I stand in the belief that martial practice is the quickest way to see how great and petty we as human beings can be. I practice to bring out the best in others and myself that I interact with. I am inspired to write this by the whole "this is the real meaning of X…" debate that has raised its head on the digest once again. Considering that the Eskrima Digest is written in English, I am going to assert that the nature of our interaction is influenced by the western model communication known as DISCUSSION. It is model where individuals and groups pass ideas back and forth until an opinion decided upon or has won. It is a model of communication with a long history of making people wrong, name calling (to their face and behind there backs), shouting matches, and many times ending up in physical conflict. It is an adversarial mode of communicating. Another model of communication is the DIALOG. Dialog literally means through words. A dialog is when a group of people come together for a purpose (like becoming better martial artist) and through a sharing of words their purpose manifest. In many tribal cultures this way of communication is natural and has been used for generations. In western society, the dialog has been intensively studied and used for the last thirty years in business and government and proven time and again to be an instrumental tool in creating breakthrough results. I am not saying that a dialog is better than a discussion. They both have a purpose and at times can appear quite similar. The distinction is a commitment to hear the others statements and a participatory commitment to an end purpose. I will say IMHO, that the intent of the Eskrima Digest is to have a dialog about the Filipino Martial Arts that makes us all better practitioners. For the most part, I am proud to say that the Eskrima Digest is a DIALOG and that says a lot about the folks who regularly contribute here. And now my two bits to the whole Datu dialog. I concur with everything that has been said about the use of the word so far. I would also add that its use is regionally and temporally specific. In my travels in the Philippines, it was not uncommon to find individuals who had never traveled outside of a twenty mile radius and their only context for the word was Datu Lapu Lapu who they read about in grammar school and Datu Puti who sits on their bottle of rice vinegar. I would add that it is still not uncommon to find folks that have not heard of Kali, Eskrima, or Arnis. Though they probably know someone who has been stabbed, cut, or hit with a stick in a fight. Datu also became a derogatory term at different times in Philippine history. In the opinions of several historians the Catholic Church and the process of using datus as tax collectors brought about the transformation/ colonization of the Philippines. This afforded them the opportunity to procure new and different types of wealth as well as keep their tribal names. An interesting anecdotal side note is that in interviewing several Visayans (In Cebu, Bohol, Negros, Leyte, and Zamboanga del Norte) who were children during W.W.II the denotation of the word in common usage was "one who had wealth." The connotation was "an upper-class male who looked down on others." When asked, this generation of Filipinos also described a "Timawa" as a poor person who roamed the streets. This is a dramatic difference from the pre-Spanish usage which referred to the free class who where second only to the Datus. This did not mean they didn't know about the other usage of Datu but they had no other context for Timawa. I did these interviews in the in the US and during trips to the Philippines in 93 and 97. Enjoy the brain dump or why read it, Elrik Jundis Guro among Other Things ------------------------------ From: Stuart Igarta Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #487 Ray said: < Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:21:20 PDT Subject: eskrima: the end Ok, no more Datu stuff. That is the end. To those that I will cut off, don't worry, it will probably come up again in a few months. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #488 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.