From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #498 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 24 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 498 In this issue: eskrima: Seminars & Tournaments eskrima: Openness: The "American" Way? eskrima: New Title? eskrima: Speed/Power eskrima: Pure and Original FMAs Position eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Suro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kyud" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:13:36 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Seminars & Tournaments Greetings to all. Got an FMA seminar or Tournament. Let me know the details and I will put it on the events page at the Arnis Balite site, http://www.arnisbalite.com/ Respectfully Sa Pinuno ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 24 Oct 00 12:05:30 CDT Subject: eskrima: Openness: The "American" Way? > A couple I have > talked to actually find it amusing (very simple folk with simple needs) > that there are people who will teach others who they do not know well. > It's like arming a potential enemy, they say. My limited experience echoes this loud and clear. Over the years I've helped a lot of people improve some aspect of their lives, only to be later affronted by/confronted with their racism and/or perversion. Now I lean towards working only with family and people that I've known for a lo-o-o-ong time. In this market society we seem to forget the common sense of why people should "qualify" in some way before having access to some privilege. At one point I encountered a young man who wanted to do me serious harm because I wouldn't "freely disseminate" what I had to share via teaching ... and still expected me to train him because he was prepared to pay me!!! Had a physician do the same not long ago ... guy was scared, had crossed some woman who was hell-bent on hurting him ... he wanted my help. Paid a nice dollar for individual training, then started showing some freaky habits during training sessions. I stayed with "the benefit of the doubt" until one day he told me that he felt like kicking his wife across a table. His wife later confided to me that when they discussed my decision to drop him (as a trainee that is :-) his response was "I don't understand what his problem is, I'm paying him!!!" More telling was a race-hater who wanted me to "share" some of my work with him ... later heard him say of a flyer of mine "Somebody tear that s__t down." Old ways/protocols are not necessarily "old" ... some are simply correct and advisable ... common sense ... we have to think of how we are affecting society, including beyond our current generation. There are natural and "organic" patterns in a lot of things which are timeless, independent of culture. Like the physiology of the body and the dynamics of the mind and soul, they don't change just because some human being dreams up a new concept. The universe and its ways predate and will outlast any human attempts to conceptualize. It's like Scotty said in Star Trek, eh?:-) "but Captain, I kinna deny the laws of physics!!!" We should convene and share based on shared values. Our assemblies are no better than the degree to which we can trust those who are with us. Trust is directly related to how much we can reliably predict about their behavior. Trust and ability to predict behavior are near synonymous. That ain't never gonna change amigos, and it don't matter whether you're talkin' about yo mama, yo dada, yo brudda, yo sista, yo preacher/guru/etc. or your student, yo whatevuh, eh? Just $0.02 from nobody special. Mitakyoaseh, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ From: "Dale" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:20:23 -0500 Subject: eskrima: New Title? Hi Y'all, I just wanted to say thanks to Steve Yarnell and Maha Guro Nate Defensor for a great seminar last weekend in MD. After not seeing my guro in about a year and my addition of 10+ pounds, I was worried Nate would give me the honorary title of Fatu. :-o)) - ------------------------------------------- See you in the sticks, Dale MCP, MCP+I, MCSE Wk: 804-292-7421 www.kalieskrima.com - ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 24 Oct 00 12:25:54 CDT Subject: eskrima: Speed/Power > we want to be fast...but it sacrifices power. Not so amigo. > We want to hit hard...but it sacrifices speed. Not so amigo. It's all in the phycis muchacho. As long as we's in this universe... Force = Mass * Acceleration ... in other words, roughly ... Power = Weight * Speed This takes us back to why a good teacher will train us to move the underlying vehicle a certain way in order to get controllable speed and power efficiently. Otherwise we get caught up in the feeling of exerting powerfully, what we feel, instead of what the person on the receiving end feels. The more we tune our body mechanics, the more we'll find the ability to transmit force through our tools. In my own meager experiments I've noticed that when I try to force power, what I actually do is trash the relaxed coordination which actually results in the more powerful hit. Viewing some instructional material done by Tuhon Bill McGrath, he pointed out that basic 5 attacks should be practiced with the feet flat first so that we can familiarize ourselves with how much fo a role the torso plays in delivering the various angles of attack. When I slow down to do it that way, I continue to identify places where I get in the way of more fluid delivery of power which results not so much from my wailing with the stick, but from lining up the body so that I can let the stick move through a trajectory which does not interfere with the whole body's contributions in delivering the strike(s). If we line things up right (accuracy), make it smoothe (flow), then we can accelerate (speed) and the power will be there. Repeat, repeat, repeat. We've rehashed this a lot here, but once again there's my 'umble opinion. Himalayan holy man once told me: "If you want to understand this (situation) study physics." He didn't say go pray and meditate, try harder, whatever. Physics baby, physics. Mitakyoaseh, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ From: "Ernest Westbrook" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:28:16 GMT Subject: eskrima: Pure and Original FMAs Position Sidney525@aol.com, wrote: >Subject: eskrima: Critique of current FMA >I saw this on Pekiti-Tirsia digest and I thought it was important and >relevant, so I am passing it on. >Sid >FKEAC Thanks for the cross post, Sidney, but this is really old news and opinions. The FMAs are not pure and have not been for several centuries. The Spanish influenced the indiginous FMAs, begining in the 1500's when the first amde contact and began fighting the Filipino's. Each side had to adapt and adjust their fighting techniques to meet the new adversary and the new styles of fighting that the enemy was using. In all likelihood, the various Filipino communities on the numerous islands had to cope with the new weapons and tactic of thier enemies from the North, South and West prior to the Spanish arriving, thus adding to the mixture of fighting styles. I am reading the re-print as the opinion of someone committed to the Pekiti Tersia Kali System. I have no arguement with the effectiveness of PTK or that there are people who have watered down some of the FMAs styles in order to make money! Where I have my disagreement is with the idea that PTK is the way to go in terms of the FMAs. If that were the case, I would not have any training in the FMAs, because there is not a PTK instructor within 300 of where I live. There is a Pangasinan Arnis instructor, 17 miles away in the next town. Guess where I train 3 times weekly? It may or may not be "...pure and original..." FMAs, but it is most definately Filipino in origin although it is not a Visayan style. I am happy with what I have been taught. It works for me and it has given me an edge over a number of people in the arts whom I had previously lost competitions to with my orinal art of Isshin-Ryu. Don't get me wrong, Isshin-Ryu is a good art, but the Pangasinan Arnis opened new areas of movement, evasion, blocking and locking to me and that made my fighting ability bettter. In summary, my FMAs is from the Philippines, although it might not be "pure and original", as Leo Salinel would have it; however, it works and that makes if effective for me, thereforeI will leave Mr. Salinel, and others to argue about these matters. EBrrok _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:19:27 PDT Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #498 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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