From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #509 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 29 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 509 In this issue: eskrima: Dux eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #498 eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #507 eskrima: An idea: why snapped punches might be faster eskrima: Re: Haouli, Ha'ouli, and Howlie=Foreigner, Happy, and ???the wooden doll eskrima: Striking with a light stick eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #508 eskrima: Deribo Escrima Pedoy Style eskrima: titles, readings in history eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Suro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last five years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 14:31:08 PDT Subject: eskrima: Dux Forwarding this from RMA. Somewhat interesting. Ray Terry P.S. But -I- really was a former CIA Station Chef. {sic} - --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mc_busman Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts Subject: Dux-Ryu Ninjitsu: the Real Frank Dux! (updated 10/2000)Every once in awhile I get an e-mail from someone asking about the Dux-Ryu ninja school, or if Frank Dux, the fellow who claimed to have fought in numerous "secret" kumite (sparring) matches, fought as a war hero, and set "world records" for things like speed, number of knockouts in a row, etc. is for real. If you mean Frank Dux is "real" in the sense that he breaths and takes up space, I guess that probably comes pretty close to the truth. If you mean to ask, is he a legitimate martial artist, or has a credible military career, or is honest and truthful, the answer is a resounding NO. Dux is one of the biggest fakes--if not ~the~ biggest con in the martial arts community. This isn't just my opinion, it's a fact. Here's the evidence (see end for references). . . In May of 1988 (over 10 years ago!), reporter John Johnson of the Los Angeles Times ran an expose of Frank Dux and his numerous lies. He showed once and for all that Dux has never been in any international "Kumite", or any tournament at all, for that matter. His only trophy, which he had supposedly won in a secret competition in the Bahamas (all those people, and it stayed secret except for Frank, who blabbed...), had been manufactured in North Hollywood by the W.R. Moody Co. This is not far from Dux's home town of Woodland Hills. Dux also claimed that these supposed secret fights had been hosted by an organization called the "International Fighting Arts Association", a group which reporter Johnson said led only back to Dux himself! The most damning thing about Dux though, even if one were to overlook his lies about having a secret ninja teacher named Senzo Tanaka (Tanaka, like in James Bond films--no evidence of such a person in the US or Japan has ever been uncovered), rescued boatloads of Filipino orphans, or set any kind of martial arts speed record (he didn't--please notice the only source for this spurius information is Dux himself! His "knockout" and "speed" records have never been proven or verified!), is the fact that Dux has ~lied~ about his military career. Frank Dux fabricated phony newspaper articles, including one from the Washington Star, which painted him as some sort of military hero. When LA Times reporter Johnson checked with the archives of the 'Star, they told him no such article existed--another bold fake! In Fact, Dux's records show he never even left the Continental US during his short time as a RESERVE Marine, and in the words of Johnson, "His only known war injury occurred when he fell off a truck he was painting in the motor pool"(1988, 4). Johnson also writes that; "His military medical file. . .said that on Jan. 22, 1978, he was referred for psychiatric evaluation for expressing "flighty and disconnected ideas." Though as a member of the reservs, which meant he was on active duty only a short time, he reportedly insisted that he was working for an intelligence agency." (1988:2) Dux also made the blunder of mixing up Army and Marine awards on his uniform, ~none~ of which were legitimately his. He even claimed to have been ~secretly~ awarded the ~~Congressional Medal of Honor~~ by Congress! Now, if you think hundreds of members of congress can keep any sort of secret, you're really crazy! But Dux is somehow convinced people will buy his lies (and surprisingly, many do!!). He doesn't realize, or denies to himself that his tall tales hurt real veterans, those who actually paid the price for our nation while he was a youngster fantasizing about playing spy games and being a ninja master. Dux's Book, "The Secret Man" is also completely contrived. Soldier of Fortune did an expose on this fictional work of his, and debunked his bogus military claims once and for all. The August 1996 issue included a review called "Full Mental Jacket". The title of the article alone should let you know what real military men think of his stories. SOF mentioned this loser again in the Nov. 1998 issue in an article by Larry Bailey entitled "Stolen Valor: Profiles of a Phony-Hunter". Dux is shown wearing his incorrectly displayed and mixed Army and Marine Medals! The book "Stolen Valor" by B.G. Burkett is over 700 pages long, and is devoted to unmasking military fakes--he devotes 4 pages to Dux's fakery, debunking his hollow claims once and for all. If you're still in doubt about this psychopathic clown, check out Court TV online for a recounting of his exaggerations and subsequent loss in court to Van Damme in a lawsuit last year. It is a fact. Frank Dux is a Lying phony who has profited from gulliability and the sacrifices of truly honorable people. Don't just take my word--research the sources below for yourself: Bailey, Larry. (1998). "Stolen Valor: Profiles of a Phony-Hunter", in Soldier of Fortune. November 1998, 58-61, 73. [SOF backissues available online from SOF website] Burkett, B.G. (1998). Stolen Valor. Verity Press, TX. [should be available online. check www.stolenvalor.com) Court TV Online. (1999). "Frank Dux v. Jean Claude Van Damme". Link to: http://www.courttv.com/trials/vandam/index.html Johnson, John. (1988). "Ninja: Hero or Master Fake?", Los Angeles Times Valley Edition, Metro Section Part 2, pg 4. May 1, 1988. [call LA Times archives at 1800-788-8804 for your copy] Soldier of Fortune. (1996). "Full Mental Jacket". August 1996. Don't be afraid to check this guy out. Recently his make-believe empire composed of impressionable CSU students has started falling down around his head. His students are slowly discovering that "The emperor wear no clothes", i.e. that Dux has been lying about his past. One more thing to consider about Frank Dux's claims to have been a secret military operative, employed by the CIA, etc. Does anybody think that if Dux were actually telling the truth, and TRUELY had seen or done anything of value regarding sensative information, that ANY government would take the chance of letting such a ~blabbermouth~ live? As for his martial arts tales, NO ONE can verify ANY of Frank Dux's claims, from secret teachers to secret competitions. There are numerous skilled NHB fighters making the rounds today who make his claims look downright fictional (fittingly). We are expected to believe that even out of all the other supposed competitors and sponsors, nobody remembers of talks of these events except for Frank Dux! And--with all of the supposedly consecutive knockouts he did (56, he claims!), not one was in any public competition, nobody can verify any of this? With all the fellows he's supposed to have fought, how did this thing remain a secret--until he "let the cat out of the bag"? C'mon. The pathology on this guy is unreal. Even the best conditioned guys today don't go undefeated, or claim 56 knockouts in a row, or have 20 matches or more a day--or go years without being able to show a shred of proof for any of their claims. The sad thing is that so many trusting people take him at his word, to extent that one so-called "Martial Arts Hall of Fame" (Frank Sanchez's Sokeship Council in Florida) awarded this pathological liar a "Lifetime Achievement Award"! Too bad it didn't specify "For Fraud" on the plaque! Frank Dux has a lot of gall. Gall that is neither normal nor a sign of being rooted in reality. Caveat Lector. M.C. Busman mc_busman@my-Deja.com (permission to repost & fwd this article in its entirety or in part, when credit is given. For educational & non-profit purposes only) ------------------------------ From: "Steve Yarnall (ATT)" Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:03:16 -0400 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #498 Dale, It was a pleasure meeting and working out with you. Yes it was a great seminar, I have gotten a lot of positive feedback from the folks in attendance. Look forward to doing it again next year. We will work on the retreat idea and see if we can pull it off. Your friend in the arts, Steve ******************************** From: "Dale" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:20:23 -0500 Subject: eskrima: New Title? Hi Y'all, I just wanted to say thanks to Steve Yarnell and Maha Guro Nate Defensor for a great seminar last weekend in MD. After not seeing my guro in about a year and my addition of 10+ pounds, I was worried Nate would give me the honorary title of Fatu. :-o)) - - ------------------------------------------- See you in the sticks, Dale MCP, MCP+I, MCSE Wk: 804-292-7421 www.kalieskrima.com - - ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "David Eke" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:33:10 +1100 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #507 Clearly the "kali" thread has been beaten to death. For me I've always considered that the FMAs was more than just learning technique. There are things you learn which you can't get from a book (particularly if its wrong) which you can only get from living it. Living it doesn't mean spending a couple of weeks, forking out a few thousand and walking away with a black belt. Much of what the Philippines is, lies below the surface. Some of it good, some bad. Thanks to my best friend (who is also my instructor) and Godparent of my son and my wife who is a Filipina I get to see some things which other foreigners don't. Times have changed in the PI. With a careful introduction 15 years ago you could get to "play" with instructors of other styles. We would get together "you show me your technique, this is our counter". Many times we would sit and drink beer and they would tell stories (and they would laugh at me trying to speak Cebuano). They would teach you stuff if they felt that your heart was in the right place and you showed them the respect they deserved. Now it just doesn't happen, not like that anyway. Most of the old timers are dead. Many of the new breed of instructors don't have the same depth of knowledge and they are only looking for the dollar. When taking to locals I don't even mention I train in escrima. If you tell them the word gets around and some "wantabe instructor" comes around offering to teach. Sort of the same thread, the last seminar which I went to of Guro Dans was when he told us he had never been to the Philippines. How could someone who claimed so much knowledge about the Philippines not have been there himself? I have read the posts which claim the "Masters in Stockton" were so diverse that it was unnessessary, I doubt it. How does someone gain so much knowledge second hand that it is unnecessary for him to go and see for himself? In Cebu at the time of his writing the book and even when he said that he had never been to the PI in 87 many of the old GM had still been alive. Bacon, Velez, Villisen, Maranga, Caburnay and the Canete brothers (just to name the prominent ones) if he thought it was unnecessary to train with them he was sadly mistaken. Guro Dan has the gift of the teacher, to make people understand not just the technique but the idea behind it. He would have been the perfect voice to give these GMs what was due to them, recognition of their skill. Instead those words in his book (however you take them) "about escrima being dead in the Philippines" it effectively stopped him (and others who took the quote literally) experiencing these GM's first hand. I consider myself lucky and privileged to have met and experienced some of them. Having never experienced the "Masters from Stockton" I can make no comparison. As for Guro Dan writing a new book, I will not bother buying it. The opportunity to showcase and provide a learning tool which voices the diversity, knowledge and skills within the Philippines has been lost. ------------------------------ From: Just This Guy Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 22:39:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: eskrima: An idea: why snapped punches might be faster First I want to throw out some thoughts about target effect. I think we all agree on the first part of this, but I want to define my terms. If you hit hard enough and fast enough, it will push your target IN like the impression a baseball makes hitting a pillow. At that point you might as well yank it back. Power applied past this point of culmination will only result in a pushing effect. If you get hit in the head with this kind of snapped punch, say delivered by a 30 year Shotokan guy, it will cause your head to snap back violently without transmitting much force to your torso. If you get hit in the body, there will be organ shock. I am told that there is a wave effect in the body. A slower punch might have more weight behind it, but the shock it transmits will be moving slower. Think of punching a big balloon full of water. You punch it slowly with a lot of weight, and you might push it, but you won't penetrate. Now punch it with a hard snap, with weight behind the snap. You won't move the bag, but you'll dent deep into it, sending shock through it. Now imagine that it's a bag full of small hard balloons filled with water. What's going to break more balloons, a fast snappy punch or a slow heavy haymaker? It's a really interesting subject. I've seen this argued about over the years; I really think there may be several different types of body mechanics goin on in different types of punches. The human body is incredibly complicated both as a target and as a weapon. NOW: I think the reason that snapping the punch makes you hit faster is because of your brain's perception of time and events. On a musical instrument, for me, I can play single notes at a certain rate, and as long as I perceive them as single notes, I can't play any faster than that. However, if I perceive them as triplets, I can play a triplet or quadruplet in the same time it takes to play a single note. If you can perceive things in slices of, say, 1/20 of a second, and you pass your hand a command to punch, the punch will take 1/20 second to happen. If, however, you pass your hand a command to punch-retract, and THAT takes 1/20 second to complete, then the extension took 1/40 second to complete. I'm writing that and it sounds batty even to me, but I really think that perception of speed is one contributing factor to REAL speed. ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 23:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Haouli, Ha'ouli, and Howlie=Foreigner, Happy, and ???the wooden doll >>This could explain why we see "Kali" used by many Filipinos IN the >>Philippines...it has become an internationally used term. Sort of how >>Filipinos uses "Howlie" for an American, while many Americans have >>never heard of a Howlie. Actually, HAOULI ( still pronounced howlie-but with no emphasis on the "HOW" when you come to Hawaii, because this is how we tell you are a tourist), HAOULI is a Hawaiian word for foreigner, although today it is meant to mean a white man not from Hawaii. (wears shoes to the beach, hamburgers for dinner, pulls his white socks up his legs when he is wearing shorts ;) ). Not to mention that if you add a ' and make the word Ha'ouli, you just spelled out "happy". It's interesting how this term was heard to you this way. Even Filipinos here in HAwaii don't use this term to often, unless they were brought up here in Hawaii-which by the way, is very rich in the Filipino culture, being that the migration when many men moved to Stockton, alot also moved to Kauai and eventually to Oahu and other islands. Cockfighting is so common here in Hawaii, that it is considered to be local. "Filipino" is also considered to be "local" Pork Adobo, lumpia, Pork Gisantis and black dog (just kidding) are all a part of local delicatasy and often found at most "lunch wagons". So with that in mind, you know who to call when you get to Hawaii for fun and stickfighting in the sun. CAUTION-We use the term stickfighting to discourage disagreements in origin, dialect, and general dislike of each other. A word of caution here on this whole Kali-not Kali topic...being brought up in Hawaii, I found it a must to comment on the use of Haouli. I am very much Filipino and have basic knowledge of terms and right and wrong, but maybe some people shouldn't be so strong and direct when they state what they "KNOW" about a place they have never been and have not been brought up around. However, how can the term be denied validicity, Guro I states what he states in his book, beecause this is what his teachers probably taught him. His teachers came from the Philippines. Some of you need to e-mail GT Leo Gaje Jr. or ask him on the Pekiti Tirsia Digest which can be found from Loki Jorgeson's web site or get in touch with GM Ben Largusa and ask him. The way I hear some of you talking, it sounds like we should just re-write the entire Tagalog language, with all the bastardized Spanish words that are in it. >>Derobio Escrima is a style that dates back to pre-Spanish times >>according to our late GGM Brauilo Pedoy. We can trace the linage back >>180+ years as GGM Pedoy who was born in 1900 was taught in 1905 and >>his master GGGM Faustino Ablin learned the style when he was young >>and was 90+ when he taught GGM Pedoy." Anyone from Derobio that lives here in Oahu, if you would like to work out, please e-mail me personally at chad@fullcontacthi.com . ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:58:10 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Striking with a light stick Hi, just a comment on the light sticks don´t hurt enough. > Jeff Inman wrote > > If kinetic energy really is the relevant factor, then you'd do > better to hit harder than you would to carry a heavier stick, > assuming you're already carrying a stick that is as heavy as > you can swing quickly. > > I know that there are guys that I've fought with who will simply > not be deterred with a light stick. You can not hit them hard > enough with it to make an impression on them. I'm guessing this > only seems to contradict the lessons from the kinetic energy > equations, and that what is actually going on is that we're > already swinging the heavy sticks at pretty fast speeds (perhaps > limited by the viscosity of air), and so with a stick half as > massive, it's hard to swing it enough faster to gain the advantage > of the velocity being squared. I think the reason fot this matter is, that light rattan sticks bend and vibrate rather easliy. That means, that quite large parts of the kinetic energy are absorbed by the deformation of the stick and only the rest goes into the target. I think this might be the reason, that a light stick does not make so much of an impression to some fighters. If one would use an equal light stick that does not bend, like Kamagon, Bahi or something else, the all of the kinetic energy would be transfered to the targed, i.e. the strike would "feel" harder. A few years ago, there were heavybags or coaching mitts, that had some kind of impact measurement inside. So one could measure how hard the punch/Kick was. Does anybody of the members has such a device and could tell us something about the results. The problem will only be, to measure the speed in addition. I once compared a cross with the harder hitting hand to a normal forehand number 1 stick strike. The result was, that the stick hit 4 times harder then the fist. BTW, we practise in our Stick (not sword) training, to use the wrist to accelerate the stick when striking. This way the stick gets extremly fast compared to a strike with a fixed wrist. Just my to 0.02 cents Dieter Knüttel European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de ------------------------------ From: Bladewerkr@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:18:19 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #508 One more note on the terminology thing, then at least on my part, I am finished with it. I caused a lot of people to get really bent out of shape a few years ago in the JKD circles due once a gain to terminology. Having studied with both the "concepts" and "original" JKD people. I was musing and suggested that instead of those terms we use "legitimate" and "bastard" as Guro Innosanto was the "legitimate" heir all those that he certified would use the JKD symbol and be legitimate linage. Everyone else would use the JKD symbol with a black bar running across it from upper right to lower left. This is a long established custom in Heraldry it is called a "Bastards Bar" and. If you were a son of the King, etc., but were illegitimate, you could use his coat of arms but you added the BB. Now to me this made a great deal of sense, as part of my interests lie in that area, and the BB had no "bad" or "evil" connotations, nor was it a put down just a time honored way of recognizing the difference. Needless to say it was not well received. I was in no way intending to offend or put down anyone. But the results were not as I would have liked. People seem to get offended at so little, and without looking beyond the words to see the intent behind them. And intent is everything! As we all know someone can call you "a beautiful child of God" in such a way that it is a complete insult. I cannot believe that anyone who has spent the time training and traveling to seminars, shelling out their money, nursing their wounds and injuries would intentionally try and offend the very people whose art we so revere. And if they do then they may be Masters in the Art, but real beginners in reading the heart of a person. We live in a society that is so hung up with "political correctness" that many are afraid to be honest with what they say. I was raised to say what I mean, but to do so courteously and with thought for the other individual. If you offend mw I will try and tell you in private and explain "why." Then I can judge whether you did so out of ignorance to my customs and beliefs, or you were simply looking to get to me and I can deal with it accordingly. One thing from my college years stand out here, something my Psych Professor said. " One way to measure self esteem and self worth is: how easily are you offended? The truly confident person doesn't take offense easily, for his self image is just that, a Self Image. On the other hand, a person that takes offense quickly, usually has their concept of who and what they are, dictated to them by others. They see anything that is not inline with their way of thinking as a threat, as they are always seeking the approval of others to bolster their image of self." If that is the case with some of the easily offended members of this digest might I suggest Dr. Wayne Dyers excellent book, "Your Erroneous Zones." Thanks and Respects, Bear ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 7:54:28 PST Subject: eskrima: Deribo Escrima Pedoy Style Chad, Re Deribo Escrima Pedoy Style in (on?) Hawaii... Look for Ron England, Senior Chief Instructor of Deribo Escrima Pedoy Style. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: reisla@interlog.com Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:31:12 -0500 Subject: eskrima: titles, readings in history Hello everyone, I hesitated contributing to this discussion because it seemed to be a heated one and I wanted to make sure that I could offer something constructive and not just add to the rhetoric. I'm not a guro or sifu, I don't even like being called "Mr. Isla" (that's my dad's name!), just a simple student of the martial arts and an enthusiastic observer of anything Filipino. I've never heard anyone refer to the FMA's as "kali" in the Philippines, the terms used most often are "arnis" or "eskrima." Having said that, you really do have to look hard to find people who have any deep knowledge of the Filipino arts. On the whole we Filipinos do not have a good sense of our own history and culture. In most urban centers you can't swing a Serrada Eskrima stick without hitting a tae kwon do or kung fu school, but you have to know somebody and/or know where to look to find the good arnis schools (except for the well known ones like Doce Pares, Pekiti Tirsia, or Bakbakan Int'l). So, most Filipinos don't seem to mind anyone using the term "kali" because it doesn't mean that much to them. For some FMA teachers and practitioners it does mean a lot, and so I have to respect their feelings. This much I do know, all this internal bickering about labels is energy better spent trying to promote the art in a positive light with all of its different branches all coming from the same tree. Is it any wonder that most Filipinos think it is more worthwhile to study tae kwon do and karate and derive all of their perceived virtues. There's that joke that goes: in a fight to the death between a Japanese martial and a Filipino martial artist, of course the Filipino martial artist will win. In a battle to the death between a group of Japanese martial artists and a group of Filipino martial artists, of course the Japanese will win because you can count on the more wealthy Filipino martial artists to stand on the sidelines to see which side is winning (then join that side) while the other Filipino martial artists fight amongst themselves. (This was originally a joke about Chinese martial artists vs. Japanese martial artists, but I adapted it.) With regard to learning the history of the Filipino martial arts, this really is a difficult task. There really aren't any good books of the specific subject and you have to work hard to read between the lines of regular history books. And, if you want to learn about Filipino history you should be consulting historians not martial artists. I'd like to thank Tuhon McGrath for that reference. I'll search for it on my next visit home. Hopefully, it won't prove to be another fraudulent document like so many that still fill Filipino history books (i.e.. Kalantiaw, Maragtas, etc.). For anyone interested, I'd like to recommend the following books: on Philippine "pre-history", Filipino Prehistory, by F. Landa Jocano, or anything by William Henry Scott; on history, The Philippines, A Past Revisited, by Renato Constantino; and on Filipinos, anything by F. Sionil Jose. Anyway, I hope you all keep enjoying your practice. Salamat, Roland Isla ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 8:00:03 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #509 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.