From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #511 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 30 Oct 2000 Vol 07 : Num 511 In this issue: eskrima: Demonstration tricks eskrima: Striking with the wrist eskrima: "Tuhon" eskrima: overpaid, over here eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:19:19 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Demonstration tricks Last issue, John (Last name unknown), asked about certain feats he saw at a demo in the RP. There is no physics involved, just low grade charlatanism. Here are the "traditonal" methods for achivieng the results he asked about Problem: 1. Large Ice Blocks broken with a blow from a forehead. (I know the heat but the ice was solid and pretty clear) Solution: Cut the block in half with a saw and allow the halves to re melt together. Generally the seam is invisible, and the block will break easily. Problem 2. A length of #4 rebar (1\2") about 10' long placed against one man's throat with a man on the other end who appeared to shove it straight against the first guys throat. It would bend like a pole vaulters pole. ( I realize you could flex the rebar to do this but the other end is still on the guys throat) Solution: It is in fact not in the guys throat,but resting on the bone below it. Stick your finger in your own throat down there and you can feel how the bone structure allows this. . Problem 3 :My favorite was what appeared to be a clay brick was placed on the ground (in this case a cement pad) flat on the cement. Then the individual broke it with a punch. Followed by three bricks stacked and the only one that broke was the bottom one. Again all bricks are stacked flat with nothing between them. I know bricks can be heat treated to break but I took one back to my ship and was unable to break it in the same manner until I used my Louis Ville Slugger. Breaking the one flat on the ground represents a not totally uncommon skill level. Breaking the one on the bottom of the pile reflects using a specially prepared and marked brick. Other standard tricks in this vein include the guy who lets his students kick him full power in the groin Solutions to this problem includes standing up during the demo and shouting "Let me be the one doing the kicking!". They won't let you. Really. And my all time favorite, the Aikido" Unbendable arm". The solution to this demonstration trick involves feinting a very hard knee to the groin , and suddenly like magic (pun intended) that rigid arm can be bent any way you want it to go. And to quote Mr. Denny on this subject : "If something looks impossible, it probably is" Tommy the Debunker ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:43:49 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Striking with the wrist Hi Michael, > From: "Michael Koblic" > Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:13:56 -0800 > Subject: eskrima: Stick speed > >> "BTW, we practise in our Stick (not sword) training, to use the wrist to >> accelerate the stick when striking. This way the stick gets extremly >> fast compared to a strike with a fixed wrist." > > Hmm...This is tricky! In my experience too much or too early wrist application actually slows > the stick down. > > Mike Koblic, > Quesnel BC Not in our experience. We start with it from the first lesson, especially during the Sinawali, because there you can automatise the striking techniques. You have to correct a lot until the technique is right, but I think it is worth it. Because whe you strike with the wrist, the speed of the stick gets extremly high, (that means the strike hits hard), without too much body movement. The more parts of the body move (the more weight is moved move) the more muscles have to work, the more energy is used the earlier one gets tired. Just a matter of economy of motion. There are other reason to move, not to give a stable target, evade the hits, but you only need a minimum of body movement to hit hard, when you use your wrist. BTW, one more reason, why a lighter stick might not hurt as much as a heavy one: I think we all agree, that the strike should have maximum speed for highest possible kinetic energy transmission, when hitting a target. I think we all also agree, that if we hit with the same speed and a heavier stick, the kinetic energy is higher. I think now, it is much easier, to increase the weight of a stick (just pick up a heavier one), than to increase the speed of a strike. Would be an interesting experiment, of one could measure the speed of a strike: How much does a strike slow down, when the stick is twice as heavy. I would guess at the most 10 - 15%. In other words, I think one could not double the speed by reducing the weight by half. That would of course mean, that the same man (or woman) can strike harder with a heavier stick than with a light stick. Even more interesting would be, how much the speed slows down, when executing 20 consecutive strikes with the heavy stick compared to a light stick and then measure the kinetic energy with both weapons at the last strike. But in the end it is not important, as long as the first strike hits the target hard enough to make an impression on the other fighter. Best regards from Germany Dieter - -- Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: Solimanus Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:04:45 -0500 Subject: eskrima: "Tuhon" A word used to address someone or a title used to address oneself? I asked Tuhon Gaje to give me the origin and deffinition of the word "Tuhon". Here is his response. "Tuhon is a malay word addressed to someone in authority or higher in rank or as expressed for respect. Used to addressed as your majesty, your lordship,your honor,your highness. For kalimen it is addressed to person who as the supreme wisdom, or talent as to the healers, medicine man,.Chieftain or Sultanates. Tuhon in the case of our systems is used for higher respect in authority with the highest technology and with supreme power over the teritorial domain. It is indigenous in its meaning but filled with wisdom and knowledge related to the PTK as a system." Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:18:09 +0000 Subject: eskrima: overpaid, over here >From Mikal Keenan: >"Kung-fu", in Chinese, can apply to any skill. To think that the term was not >in use in China is mistaken. yep...then later seeped into other languages to mean CMAs... Now for something completely different: From: "Bill Lowery" Hi All, >They feel that Americans rewrite history the way it suits them (and maybe whats worse is, you feed it back to them as FACTS).< > What, you mean like the recent film which showed the USA retrieving the >enigma machine which helped shorten the second world war (it was actually us >Brits - precisley a young man from just up the road to myself in Wallsend). I presume he was aboard the HMS Bulldog...do you by any chance have his war story written down and emailable? I'd sure like to read it...or if there is a website with his personal account, its address...as an avid war history buff, I would like to encourage you to try to document his story in some way, because a historian told me just last week that in the US they are losing 1000 WWII veterans A WEEK, and the PI around 100 per week. It would be a shame if his story was not recorded. Please email me privately if you do have a copy available... tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:34:38 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #511 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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