From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #514 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 1 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 514 In this issue: eskrima: Murphy eskrima: Kali,Tuhon, DB tape & power eskrima: PT and DP eskrima: For Mr. Knuttel eskrima: Comment for Tenrec and a Forward eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:25:12 PST Subject: eskrima: Murphy Murphy's Laws of Combat Operations 1. Friendly fire - isn't. 2. Recoilless rifles - aren't. 3. Suppressive fires - won't. 4. You are not Superman; Marines and fighter pilots take note. 5. A sucking chest wound is Nature's way of telling you to slow down. 6. If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid. 7. Try to look unimportant; the enemy may be low on ammo and not want to waste a bullet on you. 8. If at first you don't succeed, call in an airstrike. 9. If you are forward of your position, your artillery will fall short. 10. Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than yourself. 11. Never go to bed with anyone crazier than yourself. 12. Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder. 13. If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush. 14. The enemy diversion you're ignoring is their main attack. 15. The enemy invariably attacks on two occasions: a. when they're ready. b. when you're not. 16. No OPLAN ever survives initial contact. 17. There is no such thing as a perfect plan. 18. Five second fuzes always burn three seconds. 19. There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole. 20. A retreating enemy is probably just falling back and regrouping. 21. The important things are always simple; the simple are always hard. 22. The easy way is always mined. 23. Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy other people to shoot at. 24. Don't look conspicuous; it draws fire. For this reason, it is not at all uncommon for aircraft carriers to be known as bomb magnets. 25. Never draw fire; it irritates everyone around you. 26. If you are short of everything but the enemy, you are in the combat zone. 27. When you have secured the area, make sure the enemy knows it too. 28. Incoming fire has the right of way. 29. No combat ready unit has ever passed inspection. 30. No inspection ready unit has ever passed combat. 31. If the enemy is within range, so are you. 32. The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire. 33. Things which must be shipped together as a set, aren't. 34. Things that must work together, can't be carried to the field that way. 35. Radios will fail as soon as you need fire support. 36. Radar tends to fail at night and in bad weather, and especially during both.) 37. Anything you do can get you killed, including nothing. 38. Make it too tough for the enemy to get in, and you won't be able to get out. Tracers work both ways. 39. If you take more than your fair share of objectives, you will get more than your fair share of objectives to take. 40. When both sides are convinced they're about to lose, they're both right. 41. Professional soldiers are predictable; the world is full of dangerous amateurs. 42. Military Intelligence is a contradiction. 43. Fortify your front; you'll get your rear shot up. 44. Weather ain't neutral. 45. If you can't remember, the Claymore is pointed towards you. 46. Air defense motto: shoot 'em down; sort 'em out on the ground. 47. 'Flies high, it dies; low and slow, it'll go. 48. The Cavalry doesn't always come to the rescue. 49. Napalm is an area support weapon. 50. Mines are equal opportunity weapons. 51. B-52s are the ultimate close support weapon. 52. Sniper's motto: reach out and touch someone. 53. Killing for peace is like screwing for virginity. 54. The one item you need is always in short supply. 55. Interchangeable parts aren't. 56. It's not the one with your name on it; it's the one addressed "to whom it may concern" you've got to think about. 57. When in doubt, empty your magazine. 58. The side with the simplest uniforms wins. 59. Combat will occur on the ground between two adjoining maps. 60. If the Platoon Sergeant can see you, so can the enemy. 61. Never stand when you can sit, never sit when you can lie down, never stay awake when you can sleep. 62. The most dangerous thing in the world is a Second Lieutenant with a map and a compass. 63. Exceptions prove the rule, and destroy the battle plan. 64. Everything always works in your HQ, everything always fails in the Colonel's HQ. 65. The enemy never watches until you make a mistake. 66. One enemy soldier is never enough, but two is entirely too many. 67. A clean (and dry) set of BDU's is a magnet for mud and rain. 68. The worse the weather, the more you are required to be out in it. 69. Whenever you have plenty of ammo, you never miss. Whenever you are low on ammo, you can't hit the broad side of a barn. 70. The more a weapon costs, the farther you will have to send it away to be repaired. 71. The complexity of a weapon is inversely proportional to the IQ of the weapon's operator. 72. Field experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. 73. No matter which way you have to march, its always uphill. 74. If enough data is collected, a board of inquiry can prove anything. 75. For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. (in boot camp) 76. Airstrikes always overshoot the target, artillery always falls short. 77. When reviewing the radio frequencies that you just wrote down, the most important ones are always illegible. 78. Those who hesitate under fire usually do not end up KIA or WIA. 79. The tough part about being an officer is that the troops don't know what they want, but they know for certain what they don't want. 80. To steal information from a person is called plagiarism. To steal information from the enemy is called gathering intelligence. 81. The weapon that usually jams when you need it the most is the M60. 82. The perfect officer for the job will transfer in the day after that billet is filled by someone else. 83. When you have sufficient supplies & ammo, the enemy takes 2 weeks to attack. When you are low on supplies & ammo the enemy decides to attack that night. 84. The newest and least experienced soldier will usually win the Medal of Honor. 85. A Purple Heart just proves that were you smart enough to think of a plan, stupid enough to try it, and lucky enough to survive. 86. Murphy was a grunt. 87. Beer Math --> 2 beers times 37 men equals 49 cases. 88. Body count Math --> 3 guerrillas plus 1 probable plus 2 pigs equals 37 enemies killed in action. 89. The bursting radius of a hand grenade is always one foot greater than your jumping range. 90. All-weather close air support doesn't work in bad weather. 91. The combat worth of a unit is inversely proportional to the smartness of its outfit and appearance. 92. The crucial round is a dud. 93. Every command which can be misunderstood, will be. 94. There is no such place as a convenient foxhole. 95. Don't ever be the first, don't ever be the last and don't ever volunteer to do anything. 96. If your positions are firmly set and you are prepared to take the enemy assault on, he will bypass you. 97. If your ambush is properly set, the enemy won't walk into it. 98. If your flank march is going well, the enemy expects you to outflank him. 99. Density of fire increases proportionally to the curiousness of the target. 100. Odd objects attract fire - never lurk behind one. 101. The more stupid the leader is, the more important missions he is ordered to carry out. 102. The self-importance of a superior is inversely proportional to his position in the hierarchy (as is his deviousness and mischievousness). 103. There is always a way, and it usually doesn't work. 104. Success occurs when no one is looking, failure occurs when the General is watching. 105. The enemy never monitors your radio frequency until you broadcast on an unsecured channel. 106. Whenever you drop your equipment in a fire-fight, your ammo and grenades always fall the farthest away, and your canteen always lands at your feet. 107. As soon as you are served hot chow in the field, it rains. 108. Never tell the Platoon Sergeant you have nothing to do. 109. The seriousness of a wound (in a fire-fight) is inversely proportional to the distance to any form of cover. 110. Walking point = sniper bait. 111. Your bivouac for the night is the spot where you got tired of marching that day. 112. If only one solution can be found for a field problem, then it is usually a stupid solution. 113. All or any of the above combined. ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:55:51 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Kali,Tuhon, DB tape & power RE: Kali: Tenec asked me to ask Tuhon Gaje: "I was wondering if you could ask him a couple of questions (respectfully of course) the next time you see him: 1. Prior to 1975 what was his style called? 2. What name did his instructors use for Arnis, and approximately how far back?" In his announcement for his 1997 camp Tuhon Gaje billed it as the "Pekiti-Tirsia Centennial Camp" and said that it was the hundred year anniversary of the founding of the Pekiti-Tirsia system. He had often said that many Filipino styles were formalized around this time as groups were formed to fight the Spanish. RE: Tuhon: I really can't add very much to John Chow's very informative post on the Malay use of the term "Tuhon". While the term has several meanings in Malay and is used by several groups in the FMA I feel that I am only responsible for how it is used within Pekiti-Tirsia International. When Tuhon Gaje gave me that rank in 1994 I understood it to mean that I was the chief instructor for Pekiti-Tirsia International. You can read all of Tuhon Gaje's typically flowery language on my certificate on the PTI web site (http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/docs/certificates.html), but I try not to let it go to my head and neither should anyone else. RE: Dog Bros. tape. Marc Denny sent me a copy of the latest DB tape for review recently. These tapes are always a lot of fun and very informative. In single stick most of the fights were among intermediate fighters, even so I enjoyed watching how different people react to the stress of a stickfight. In the fights that showed Marc and Eric fighting less experienced guys you could tell they were holding back a bit (at least while standing, Eric really rocked a few guys on the ground) but they were still enjoyable. The fights I enjoyed most were the ones with the 4 foot staff. Good technical fights, kind of like seeing more technique during a middle weight boxing match than with most heavyweights. One thing that you'll notice on the tape that is germane to the current thread on power is the physiques on the guys that Eric fought. Several of the guys were much more heavily muscled than Eric, yet Eric hit harder. Yes part of it is more experience with swinging a stick but I think a lot of it is mental. How many times have you seen someone hits the tires really hard, but doesn't seem to be able to duplicate that power in real time? I think coolness under stress allows you to deliver your full potential of power in real time. Therefore I think we should add the human factor of experience under pressure to our equation of power. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:44:39 PST Subject: eskrima: PT and DP Anyone know about when the Pekiti Tirsia family broke away from the Doce Pares family? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "jose saguisabal" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:21:28 -0800 Subject: eskrima: For Mr. Knuttel Mr. Knuttel: I must beg to differ with you on two of your statements in the last issue, the first being that Kali, Eskrima, and Arnis are generic terms for the FMAs in general. I hope that you do not take offense to this, but surely, you have not seen much of the Philippine arts to make this statement. In the FMAs there are styles that look much like Tae Kwon Do to Muay Thai. We have arts that closely resemble Kung Fu, even Judo! Silat, for example is not only found in Indonesia, we have Silat styles in our own country...and many of these styles RARELY pick up a stick; and they are VERY Filipino. To say that all of the arts in the Philippines is something I expect the average non-FMA artist/BB mag reader to say, not someone who claims expertise in these arts. Have you been to the Philippines? The second statement that got me was the apparent "arrogance" of an American FMA artist because his art of "Kali" teaches 12 weapons. First of all, I happen to know several JKD-FMA from the Inosanto camp, they've reported only learning the same weapons folks going to Doce Pares seminars learn. Secondly, all of the instructors he has learned from have younger generations here, near my area, and with the exception of the Largusa group and one other person whose name escapes me at this time, they all call their arts "Eskrima". Who taught these 12 weapons? Do you mean to tell me that you had classes in projectile weapons, and whips, and shields? I really doubt that. I also happen to know that most of those other weapons are used for hunting and warfare; not weapons taught as an art. Would you kindly describe for us a drill with the blow gun? The last time I was in Stockton, I was told when Dan Inosanto was making his rounds learning from the Masters, he already knew how to use the Nunchaku, which he learned from Ed Parker! Okay, so that eliminates the Tabak Toyok, which I have yet to meet a Filipino who knows them or heard of them... By the way, I was interviewing a WELL-known Grandmaster when he told me this, and a very credible source. I was advised against trying to publish it, as he had nasty things to say about many in the FMA world. But perhaps if I can get my newsletter going again, I will, or at least on the internet. Okay, let me go before I get blasted... Jay Get FREE Email/Voicemail with 15MB at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com ------------------------------ From: "jose saguisabal" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:28:33 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Comment for Tenrec and a Forward Tenrec, it looks like you beat me to the punch concerning the questions you wanted to ask Leo Gaje...and the definition of "Tuhon", which my instructor defined as a "tyrannical lord who forced his subjects to worship him as a God". Looks like the Filipinos got something right about our own culture again: - --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:58:45 From: maurice gatdula To: mandirigmanews@mailcity.com wassalam! first to answer your question about "ama guro", i think you mean "amo guro". ama is a nanny, what you call a maid who raise you. "amo" is what a muslim will make his kids call a family friend who is like a family. almost like how we would call your father best friend "uncle joe" or something (like ismail, his kids calls me "amo mustafa"). about "Kali", i think there is nothing we can do about that. people know already that kali existed at one time. many people who use it to call their eskrima or arnis might call it "kali" to keep the word alive. the pekiti tirsia is known in the philippines as "arnis". the pekiti tirsia family, however was once part of the doce pares family ("eskrima") before they broke away to become there own. and i think you know about illustrisimo, who never called his art kali. felicismo dison, who is the teacher of villabrille (largusa teacher), is known as a "eskrimador". de cuerdas is still in the philippines, and is called "eskrima". if you would like to see another forums you can go to peak1.com, they have a philippine martial arts digest there too. oh, and we will have a practice three hours on friday, 6-9pm. for next month we will have a match with Dosty's power jujitsu/kung fu. if you dont come i wont know you! assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah means "peace and mercy of allah may be on you", but you can just say assalam, it means peace. kuya - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. - --------- End Forwarded Message --------- I agree that we are beating the Kali thread over our heads. It seems that although people acknowledge the fact that Kali was an old name for a fighting style (no one can prove its origin) that is no longer around, those who use the name will still try to represent their arts as being that "lost and pure" art. I mean, what can we do about that? Bring it up again the next time we hear it, I guess...That's what I plan to do! By the way, Kuya Maurice says he is planning to hold a "non-demoninational" style FMA convention (traditional Pinoy "meet and eat" style) in Sacramento next summer. If anyone is interested, let me know, I'll give you the details. Jay Get FREE Email/Voicemail with 15MB at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:57:18 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #514 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.