From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #518 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 2 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 518 In this issue: eskrima: Seminar in Lawton eskrima: correction on Animal in OK link eskrima: Re: Penis Pull eskrima: Re:Getting Fooled by Magicians eskrima: Re: Dr. Arnold Kegel and the Muscles He Defined eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #517 eskrima: Moro eskrima: More on Angel's stick Re: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #517 Re: eskrima: More on Angel's stick eskrima: Moor eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Parad1gm (not my real name)" Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:54:21 CST Subject: eskrima: Seminar in Lawton The Tripod link wasn't working so I'm taking this other option. I'm interested in info about the seminar on January 27th and I'd appreciate it if you could send it to me. Cory Eicher 4005 Brookhaven Club Drive #153 Addison, TX 75001 Or, you could just send it to this email address Cory _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:56:24 EST Subject: eskrima: correction on Animal in OK link In a message dated 11/1/00 10:26:50 PM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << For more information http://members.tripod.com/ksma_kali/Seminars.html>> AAARRRRGHH! Never mind not letting me play with sharp objects, don't let me play with html links...this should work better http://members.tripod.com/ksma_kali/Seminars.htm that *&^%%$$$## l won't make it work for you. If this doesn't work, try my webpage at http://www.diac.com/~dgordon/schedule.html ------------------------------ From: William Upton-Knittle Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:19:28 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Penis Pull At 05:05 PM 11/1/2000, you wrote: > > Now what truely amazed me are some of the Qi Gong masters' ability to > > hang 20 lbs dumb bell on their fully erected penises. And yesterday I > > saw it in the news that three Taiwanese Qi Gong masters pulling a > > 50-tonnes fully loaded bus with ropes tied to their penises!! The first is an urban legend (you have not personally seen it)...the second one, if you look at the photos carefully, you will see they are not using their penises at all. More gimmicks, specifically a special "rigging"..... b ------------------------------ From: William Upton-Knittle Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:24:22 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re:Getting Fooled by Magicians At 05:05 PM 11/1/2000, you wrote: >. Demonstration skills are not >mere trickery like stage conjuring. Yes, they most certainly are... > You still need some skill and >technique as the base to pull it off. Yes, you need to be able to perform like any other magician... > Even with taking hits on the >throat and neck, some very gifted individuals (oh..... why do they need >to be born to outshine us???) They do NOT take direct hits on the throat and neck....this is what is called in magic an "illusion," even when done closeup. >may train to do it without any special >secret instructions from Chi Kung masters. I've yet to meet a Chi Kung "master" who wasn't a fraud when it comes to tricks. >On those hard pounding penises: It is a standard training regiment for >Taoist Sexual Yoga. It is not standard training in traditional tantric practice. In fact, it's the opposite of the practice. b (Ven. Dr. An Tzu) ------------------------------ From: William Upton-Knittle Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:42:54 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Dr. Arnold Kegel and the Muscles He Defined At 09:49 PM 11/1/2000, you wrote: >. A well trained female can drink, suck, >shoot, squeeze with her vagina. Females can train their Kegel muscles in short order. In males, the corresponding muscles take a bit longer to train....but not for holding weights, for increasing ejaculation power and its subsequent increase in orgasmic pleasure. b ------------------------------ From: "David Eke" Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:26:37 +1100 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #517 >First: Some people have been saying some things about Guro I. not ever >going to the Fillipines and saying that that disqualifies him from truely >knowing the FMA. I want to know how many of these people have Met, >Trained or know Guro I.? Point being if you have not trained with him >then by your own argument you should keep your comments about him to >yourself. I was the first to make comment so I had better respond. I like the way you spell Philippines !!!! The simple answer is "YES", I have met him, I have attended 3 seminars of his in Australia (however, I don't consider this training). The last being the seminar when he said he had never been to the Philippines. >Second: I moved from Tulsa OK. to train under him and do not know of very >many people who have done so much for so long to promote FMA. So it would seem, you have never been to the Philippines too!. Guro I is not the only one to dedicate his life to the Martial Arts. In fact in the Philippines there are probably many who have dedicated themselves more singly to the FMA. On another thread >All I know is the Dizon apparently learned from the old man from Cebu >and Josefina, the Blind Princess. Villabrille and Dizon trained together. >I think that Dizon was about 15 years older than was Villabrille. Jeff Finder >found a Kung Fu (or something) instructor up in Oregon that supposedly was >Dizon's nephew or great nephew, but he didn't really learn his uncle's art. Ray I suspect you used the word "apparently" carefully. Dizon was supposed to have organised a match with one of the GM's of Cebu but didn't show up. As I have said before Villabrille was unknown to them, difficult to comprehend considering he claimed he was a "champion of the Philippines" ------------------------------ From: "Ingmund Forberg" Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:32:29 GMT Subject: eskrima: Moro Hi, All my Filipino friends that come from the Northern and Central parts of the Philippines use the term moro whenever they talk about people living in the Southern parts. I get the impression that they use the term whether the person in question is a muslim or not. As to the claim that you have to have been to the Philippines to be legitimate in the FMA. Does that mean that you have to have been to Scandinavia to call yourself a skier? Take care, Ingmund Forberg _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "al sardinas" Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:02:54 EST Subject: eskrima: More on Angel's stick Since Ray mentioned Jeff Finder, I figure I submit the following information from Jeff himself. Jeff says you can find this information in the old digests. Jeff wrote: "....Yes, Angel did often use a longer stick in the 60's but he also told me, on more than one occasion, that in the Philippines he used a 16" piece of kamagong, so the short stick development of Serrada did come from his background. Remember, most bolos and even many big krisses are no more than 18-21" long..... Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 6:36:33 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #517 > >All I know is the Dizon apparently learned from the old man from Cebu > >and Josefina, the Blind Princess. Villabrille and Dizon trained together. > >I think that Dizon was about 15 years older than was Villabrille. Jeff Finder > >found a Kung Fu (or something) instructor up in Oregon that supposedly was > >Dizon's nephew or great nephew, but he didn't really learn his uncle's art. > > Ray I suspect you used the word "apparently" carefully. Dizon was supposed > to have organised a match with one of the GM's of Cebu but didn't show up. > As I have said before Villabrille was unknown to them, difficult to > comprehend considering he claimed he was a "champion of the Philippines" The story I heard from Cacoy Canete was more that Dizon was supposed to return to Cebu from Manila afer many years of being away. Cacoy and others intended on challenging him upon his returned and trained long and hard for the encounter. But Dizon never made the trip. Cacoy would have been 25 years younger than Dizon. Those in the Cebu area didn't know of Villabrille, however obviously Dizon in Manila did know of him. But we know that Villabrille made his rep in Hawaii, not in the RP. Ray "Champion of the Philippines" Terry :) raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 6:42:36 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: More on Angel's stick > Jeff wrote: "....Yes, Angel did often use a longer stick in the 60's but he > also told me, on more than one occasion, that in the Philippines he used a > 16" piece of kamagong, so the short stick development of Serrada did come > from his background. Remember, most bolos and even many big krisses are no > more than 18-21" long..... Then he is obviously thinking of the kris blade only. Most battle kris are 25"-27" long. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 2 Nov 00 08:17:03 CST Subject: eskrima: Moor > So, it is > very likely that the Spanish used the term "moro" with much derision > since Spain was a Roman Catholic nation and that the Moors also > invaded it for a short time. Check out Andalusia, Southern Spain. A Spanish national who worked for me in Mpls once told me that there you will find "the most beautiful women in the world." According to him they are partially descended from the Moors ... people from Northern Africa occupied Southern Spain and Moors/Africans moved freely through Spanish society. The term "Moor" and "Moorish people" (sometimes "Blackamoor") is related to Morocco. Both Spain and Portugal were strongly influenced by entry of people from this part of the world. Gibraltar is a Moorish/Arabic word, eh?:-) Gibr-al-tar. These people were largely responsible for the development of the sciences in Europe. Don't believe me ... check out Al-Kowarizmi and the origins and development of Al-Gibr (Romanized into "algebra") and physics. It'll take you from Europe to Northern Africa/Middle East to Baghdad. Gotta include India too, up to the development of the "variable" and "al-gorithm" (Al-Kowarizmi => algortihm). Be well, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 6:49:46 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #518 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.