From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #540 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 18 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 540 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Hubud and plum eskrima: Re: filipino knife techniques eskrima: "A Dog Brothers' Gathering of the Pack" review eskrima: Filipino Jujitsu eskrima: Knife techniques resources eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:40:58 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Hubud and plum Hi Chad, you asked "Pat, could you go over this as well. Also, with no MT background, what is a plum? " I went to Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #432 and have used a little bit of what Terry wrote: From: Terry Tippie > snipped The first thing that I noticed is that Guro Inosanto had a fundamentally different structure for knee sparring, and it was one I had a hard time dealing with. The classical Thai plum lockup is pretty tight. In fact, regular Muay Thai plum looks kinda like you are hugging the guy and throwing knees into his stomach at the same time. I asked why was he doing knee sparring so differently. Guro Inosanto crinkled his eyebrow at me and said, "Grappling. Because the Gracies take away most of the standing plum and we have to adapt." Guro I had a structure where he would leave about a foot of space between our bodies while he moved his hands in a pretty efficient way to keep me from closing on him. Meanwhile, he was very efficient at nailing me in the legs with curved knees and VERY efficient at preventing me from closing. His structure had me feeling pretty confused, so I asked him about it the next day over breakfast. He explained, "That's LaCoste hubud." I objected that it looked like he was opening himself up for a highline punch or a straight knee #2. Then he showed me why I couldn't punch and knee because he was monitoring and jamming both the knee and shoulder quite efficiently. The basic hand position looked like his left hand monitors my left hip and his right hand monitors my right shoulder whereby his hands kind of wind up almost in a cross block position. The actual catch & lift from the basic classroom hubud drill is only used on occasion when the energy is right. The normal Muay Thai approach of blast right through the obstruction didn't seem to work here, and I quickly found myself removing the barrier, attacking the obstructing limb or backing away and boxing. Back to me...that's ME! ; )...I tried this as written but wasn't sure so when I asked Guro he demonstrated with Erik Paulson and it was good to see other applications for hubud. The plum(b) is the clinch work from Muay Thai. In the UK I never heard it as that through Master Sken but the term seemed to come from those in the US. I say seemed...ok?. Basically you put both forearms around the neck and use the edge of the bones in your forearms to pressure the neck and control the body. You clasp the hands behind the head in several different ways and twist, jerk, push & pull the head in all manners of directions in order to create openings on other lines or in order that the head/face meets harder objects. When going for the clinch its best to go one hand at a time in order that you don't leave yourself open. Get the elbows in centre line to really control. Receiver doesn't want to drop their head as it tends not to like the force of the upcoming knee. The receiver can clinch at the same time and the game becomes one of trying to vie for the centre line. Chad, put your arms around someone's neck and clasp hands (palms up for example). Your partner now does the same but on the outside of your arms. Lifting one elbow and lever their arm up. Look now at the way those damn fine ribs have just separated and imagine what a well delivered blow could do there. Ok, now reverse roles. You don't want to be on the outside do you as your partner is in control and your ribs or thigh don't need that punishment right now. So hook one hand over their forearm and pull it out and quickly clinch your hand to their neck on the inside line. Etc etc. There are an array of techniques here. Guro Inosantos way is more advanced obviously from this but Erik Paulson has so many drills for releasing that clinch - the edges 2 video seminar shows them -its amazing. Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:56:43 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: filipino knife techniques "The Leading Edge: A Complete Guide to Tactical Edged Weapon Use" by Bram Frank is a decent video set on Filipino knife techniques. This set is from Paladin Press. It's been a while since I viewed it, so I can't give a detailed review right now. For folding knives, Mike Janich's "Fighting Folders: The Definitive Guide to Personal Defense with Tactical Folding Knives" is a good video. I took a quick view of this one a few weeks ago, and plan on watching it closer and doing a full review soon. This is also from Paladin Press. Last week, I had the chance to work with Mike Janich again when we were filming my new video set, and Mike is a great guy. Down to earth, and very knowledgeable. The "Fighting Folders" video covers the basics of carrying, opening, etc., and then goes into self-defense uses. Good tape if you carry one of these blades. (I personally carry a Cold Steel Voyager with Tanto blade) Kelly Worden also has some knife tapes, and he has a Filipino background. I have not seen any of these, but have seen some of his other tapes, and Kelly is quite knowledgeable too. Hope this helps a bit. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: "JON CURTIS" Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:53:40 -0500 Subject: eskrima: "A Dog Brothers' Gathering of the Pack" review After years of waiting for more Dog Brother material, the day finally arrived! The Dog Brothers have released "A Dog Brothers' Gathering of the Pack" for $30 + $5 s&h. After a couple failed attempts to order the tape using the online credit form, I eventually was able to place my order with Cindy Denny via e-mail. I received the tape a week and a half later. I came away pleased with their customer service (one of my pet peeves are mail order companies which wait weeks to ship your order!). This tape is an attempt to provide rabid Dog Bros fans with a opportunity to experience a "Gathering"... a success I would say. The tape includes selected fights from 1994-1999. In the beginning of the tape you see the fighters milling arould talking and warming up. Marc Denny then gives a little speech telling the participants how the DB's are now in their second decade... and expounding on the DB tribal theme.... the fighters should strive to build their fellow tribesmen while guarding against breaking down individual members... thus weakening the tribe as a whole. These fights follow... Knife vs knife Dbl knife vs knife Stick vs stick 4 - stick vs stick fights Dbl stick vs dbl stick Stick vs stick Staff vs staff Stick vs dbl nunchaku 2 - stick vs stick fights Dbl stick vs dbl stick Bokken vs stick (very nice exhibit of skill by Arlan vs the bokken!) Stick vs stick Sibat vs sibat (very nice skills by both parties!) Dbl stick vs dbl stick (See the dreaded stinky stick by Crafty!) 8^o Stick vs stick Dbl stick vs dbl stick Stick vs stick Marc and Eric talk about 8 minutes.... Eric stresses that the participants prime objective should be to go home and work on mobile power. ...Group photos. ...Credits. =Running time: 70 minutes (as advertised!) Wish it would have been a little longer (... can't get enough! :') But a must buy for DB enthusiasts.... and those of us who just really enjoy seeing others getting smacked around! ;') Rating: 9 stick hickeys outta 10 ~Kev ------------------------------ From: rocpas@ameritech.net Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:13:20 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Filipino Jujitsu I know this is a little late, Hey give me a break I read slow!!! A few post back someone wrote the phrase Filipino Jujitsu???? This is or was my reaction first time I heard Remy use it, I was like what???? Well a after a minute or so I realized he was just generalizing. Terms like Karate, Kung Fu, Jujitsu, Eskrima are becoming universal generic words. Most people think of Jujitsu as locking or ground fighting, so if you are teaching stick lock, throws or take downs that you might use in Eskrima, some might be inclined to use the term Jujitsu, instead of throwing, locking, choking ect... Hey its a global society to day and the price of becoming part of it is, certain groups will see their language, bits of their culture, or mannerism become universal and not wholly theirs anymore. Its like listening to 2 people who don't speak English talking, and you can't understand a word they are saying but clear as day you here the word, "Pepsi" which is clearly American, but is now universal. Maybe they don't have a word that is the equivlance of or maybe it is easier or shorter to use, or what ever. To me I think its quite an honor for Filipinos, Japanese, Chinese, or anyone else to have things in their culture recognized and incorporated throughout the world. Of course that's just my opinion, for what its worth. Rocky PAsiwk Chief Instructor Anciong's original Balintawak Founder of Cuentada De Mano ------------------------------ From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:56:07 EST Subject: eskrima: Knife techniques resources In terms of videos check the Ron Balicki series, Tuhon Bill McGrath, and anything from the late Suro Mike Inay. Even if some of these tapes aren't strictly for knives, many of the techniques translate really well into edged weapons, for example, Inayan KDM You might also want to check out the book Balisong, by Sonny Umpad et al. It has some of the best stuff I have seen in print on knife. IMHO Sid FKEAC ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:23:48 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #540 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.