From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #543 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 19 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 543 In this issue: eskrima: Knives and clubs eskrima: Training in NYC eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #542 eskrima: Another View of the Pageant [none] eskrima: German Ju-Jutsu Re: eskrima: German Ju-Jutsu eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:42:09 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Knives and clubs Greetings, I'm just playing a little catch up here on my posts . I consider the Ron Balicki video series on knife training to be one of the best out there. They are entertaining and technically very informative.You can obtain them through Ron's website at www.marsystems.com . One of my favorite texts on knife fighting is the Michael Echanis' book "Knife fighting, knife throwing for combat" by O'Hara publications. Echanis was a Hwarang Do stylist, a mercenary of epic proportions, and VERY serious about his knife work. I don't think any serious student of the knife arts should be without it. And finally: "You can tug on Superman's cape, you can spit into the wind, You can pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger, but don't mess around with Frank Cucci" Tom Meadows ------------------------------ From: "Neil Cohen" Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:25:06 EST Subject: eskrima: Training in NYC Check out www.andersonsmartialarts.com. We are located in mid town Manhattan. Neil >From: Kaliarnis@aol.com >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 00:37:42 EST >Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #541 >Hello, >I live in New York City and I am interested in learing FMA. Would it be possible to get info on martial arts schools in New York City. >In advance Thank you. >kaliarnis@aol.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: "Johnaleen" Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:36:32 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #542 "***** Thanks. I see him listed as Master here, not Grandmaster, unless I skipped over it... Not that it really matters. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ****** Ray..... I believe that Jeff is the one that actually dose that site for Professor and US Modern arnis...... I am sure once he gets home he will be updating the site..... he is very good at keeping it up i am told and its updated every 4 days or so...... As I said i just dont want to mess up data and information that way..... best to go to the sorce i have always said........ tis what i tend to do myself....... "Johnaleen grins a silly smile at you.........." "Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do." Living by Example......... Johnaleen...... F.A.T.E. Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment 1-888-526-4626 F.A.T.E@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: Ernie Aragon Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:45:15 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Another View of the Pageant Dear E-D listers, I agree with all that you've said that women or all people for that matter should not be judged on their looks alone or by their looks at all. But it seems to me that the person who put up the contest had another thing in mind. The fault here is that he should have put a listing of accomplishments for judging. Another thing is that the term "Beauty Pageant" was not his. He only used "Pageant". It was I used used the phrase "sort of beauty pageant" because it was not clear yet what he wanted it to be. Of course, as I said, the term pageant is usually used in that context, hence my conclusion. While we all may judge him or her for what he put up, I believe we must look at things from a different angle than what we're used to. The point here is that we should not be ethnocentric, that is looking at things from our own cultural point of view only. I don't believe that the person is a jerk or bigotted for that matter. It is possible that due to cultural differences, he did not have such a grasp of the nuances of what he was saying. It doesn't mean that because a lot of Filipinos could speak good English that they think or mean the words in exactly the same way as the Americans do. For example, a hear a lot of Filipinos calling black people "negro". It does not mean that they are racists or that they have malice in mind. For them, it just means that the guy they are referring to is of black race. Political correctness is just becoming popular here. I don't think that the person saw women just as good for beauty only as seen in the exerpt I previously posted. As a matter of fact, the people here in area reacted differently when we saw the web page. You see, in our area here, women rarely practice the martial arts. Often, women think of women practicing the martial arts as lesbians or boyish (not that there is anything wrong with being that way). It has been very hard to promote the martial arts especially the FMA to women, let alone all the misconceptions about arnis so prevalent in the Philippines. When we saw the site here, one of our female team mates even commented that we should enlist all the female members of the club. These ladies, mind you, are not dumb nor are they close-minded. We saw it as a means to show to a lot of people that women all over the world are practicing arnis--normal and special women. We can point them to the website and say,"hey look at all those ladies practicing arnis. If they are learning the FMA, you could too." We saw it as something like a search for the "female FMA practitioner of the year" rather than a Miss Universe or a Miss World. Again people have different points of view. For us, it was a means to promote the FMA more. So I agree with Crafty. Remove the hot button. As a matter of fact, I have received quite a few harrassing e-mails from different women. I can't imagine how much mail the creator of the website received when friends of some of the potential participants like me got enough to last a lifetime. If there is anyone with a different point of view, let us have our own. As for his or her use of the term "pageant", this may make others say that "See. It is indeed some sort of beauty pageant." I made the same mistake at first and found it hilarious. But, the term pageantry has a much wider definition. Anyway, again it may be due to differences in dialect. This may be new to some but many linguists claim that Filipino English is already an English dialect on its own. Just as there is Queen's or Brittish English, Australian English, Canadian English, New Zealand English, even Hawaiian and Pidgin English, there is also Filipino English - -- all dialects of the same language. There are varying usages of the same word. Americans may call brassieres as brassiers but Britons call them suspenders. The American suspenders they call garters. In the Philippines we have words such as "presidentiables" (meaning presidential candidate) which is not present in the English of other countries. To us, the meaning of the word "salvage" got reversed. Instead of meaning "to save" it is now used to describe the unlawful execution of a person by the police or military without proper trial. My point is, if there something we see something that seems offensive to us, let us first seek clarification especially if it comes from people of another language and culture for what was meant may not come accross properly. Just as we've heard the argument on terminology of the FMA. What we usually do is keep an open mind because maybe, the debatable terms came from another Filipino language/dialect unknown to us (though for me, I believe that that argument in defense of the said terms has been sometimes stretched too far. It wouldn't hurt to sometimes admit that we could be wrong). I say this too to the Filipinos on this list, a lot of Filipinos don't like to be corrected for using wrong English words or for using improper grammar but immediately jump on our American brothers for using the wrong Filipino words or just misspelling (did I get the spelling correct?) the Filipino term slightly. Sorry for the long letter, but I just needed to say my piece. For those sending me letters or those sending the website owner of the Lakambini page, read this first before enlisting others to send more harrassing letters. I don't want to answer your letters individually. I hope to hear someone say AMEN to this letter that I posted. I harbor no ill feelings to those who wrote to me personally. I am not ethnocentric and I understand you. Mabuhay to you all on this list. Gumagalang, Ernie Aragon, Jr. ------------------------------ From: Danny Pittman Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 02:06:40 -0500 Subject: [none] >>>From: Sinjay36@aol.com >>>Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:19:18 EST >>>Subject: eskrima: FRANK CUCCI >>>Has anyone heard of former NAVY SEAL, FRANK CUCCI ? He has a school here >>>(VA BEACH, VA) called FUNCTIONAL DEFENSIVE CONCEPTS, and i was wondering if >>>anyone has heard of it, and/or has any info or know websites with info on him >>>or his school/method? (he teaches hand-to-hand, knife fighting,and Arnis) >>> any info would be appreciated THANK YOU JAY Jay, I currently train at the Linxx Academy in Richmond. I go to the Beach about once a week and train up there. Mr. C is a phenomenal martial artist, and one of the most respectable people I have had the pleasure of knowing. He is certified under Guro Dan in FMA, and Jun Fan, Ajarn Chai in Thai boxing, and just received his brown belt in BJJ under Pedro Sauer/Rickson Gracie. Mr. C has a passion for the FMA, and it shows in his classes. He runs a top notch school, and all of his staff and instructors are very knowledgeable, friendly and helpful. You can't go wrong with his school. If you have any more questions, feel free to e-mail me. Danny Pittman P.S. - The website does not do the school justice (if it is up). Stop by and check it out. I have a schedule if you're interested. Linxx Academy of Martial Arts 983 Providence Square Shopping Center Virginia Beach, VA 23464 Telephone (757) 495-7070 Web site www.linxxacademy.com Email info@linxxacademy.com ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:14:38 +0100 Subject: eskrima: German Ju-Jutsu > From: "jose saguisabal" > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:26:44 -0800 > Subject: eskrima: Re: Filipino Jujitsu > > On another board, I remember reading something about "German" Jujitsu: new and improved? > Hmmm..... Hi everybody, here some information about the german Ju-Jutsu. Just as a side note: I am not a member and am not affiliated to the german Ju-Jutsu. The Ju-Jutsu in Germany has been founded in 1969 combining the best techniques from Judo, Karate, Aikido and Jiu-Jitsu. Those were the systems popular at that time. The spelling Ju-Jutsu is important, because the Jiu-Jitsu, Ju-Jitsu have their roots in japanese systems, the Ju-Jutsu is the germany version. Nowadays, they also adopt their techniques from the FMA, Thai-boxing, brasilian jiu-jitsu and from other styles, when they find it suitable. Ju-Jutsu is the main martial art taught to the german police. The German Ju-Jutsu Association has regular competition in fighting (kicking, punching, throwing, locking and holding) Duo, which are kind of 2 man sets of techniques against different attacks, applying selfdefense techniques. They have grading requirements that are valid all over Germany. They are a strong associaction and have about 60.000 members. > new and improved, ? I don´t know, but at least not depending on Japan and sure siutable for our mentality. Otherwise they would not be so successful. They still learn from good people, no matter from which nationality, but have quite good people themselves. Perhaps a little comparable to the dog brothers, who are also going new, american ways, not disregarding the old masters, but searching their own way though experimentation with combining other styles into their system just like BJJ and bando come into the dog brothers play. Are the dog brothers new and improved ? I don´t know, but definitively good and interesting. Best regards from Germany Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de Achtung, Neue Adresse: Knyphausenstr. 2b 44287 Dortmund ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 12:37:11 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: German Ju-Jutsu > systems popular at that time. The spelling Ju-Jutsu is important, > because the Jiu-Jitsu, Ju-Jitsu have their roots in japanese systems, > the Ju-Jutsu is the germany version. Ummm, no I don't think so... Ju-Jutsu is simply the proper/current romanization of the graphs for the name of this Japanese art. Jiu-Jitsu and Ju-Jitsu are still seen, but they are incorrect romanizations of the art's name. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:59:41 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #543 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.