From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #544 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 20 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 544 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #541 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #543 eskrima: Interesting Articles eskrima: Re: German Ju-Jutsu eskrima: Re: NYC FMA Re: eskrima: Re: German Ju-Jutsu eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #543 eskrima: NAAKESC in CA. May 2001 eskrima: Re: Frank Cucci eskrima: Seminole Slur Re: eskrima: Seminole Slur eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. 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Gary ------------------------------ From: rob pugh Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:54:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #543 Actually living in Japan and trying to study some Japanese I can actually contibute to this point :) Ray said "Ju-Jutsu is simply the proper/current romanization of the graphs for the name of this Japanese art. Jiu-Jitsu and Ju-Jitsu are still seen, but they are incorrect romanizations of the art's name." Actually, there is no "official" or correct romaji alphabet or language. There are several different "schools" of the practice, all based on phonetics of course and usually named after the guys who developed it... but in the 4 or 5 Japanese textbooks I have, and others I've seen, there is not a consistent modern romaji accepted by all. That being said, yes all the variations on spelling do reflect the same original Kanji characters. This lesson brought to you by the Letter A and the Number 2 :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Michael Koblic" Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:14:54 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Interesting Articles In a November 2000 issue of the "Tae Kwon Do Times" there are two intersting articles: 1) Self-defense and the knock out - byJames LaFond. An analysis of street fights ending in a knock out backed up by interesting statistics. 2) The force to knock over a bull - by Paul Irvin. A fascinating and very clear analysis of physics involved in martial arts. Relevant to a recent thread here. Pity the magazine let the author down with printing of some of the equations. It is a first of a series of articles. If the next ones are as good it should be a dandy. Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Ingo Bojak Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:54:38 +1030 (CST) Subject: eskrima: Re: German Ju-Jutsu On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 Ray Terry wrote: > Ummm, no I don't think so... Ju-Jutsu is simply the proper/current > romanization of the graphs for the name of this Japanese art. Jiu-Jitsu > and Ju-Jitsu are still seen, but they are incorrect romanizations of the > art's name. Doesn't matter what you think about it... =o) It is a fact that in Germany the different romanizations are used to distinguish different systems, even if that makes no sense w.r.t. to the same Japanese characters. However, I would like to point out that AFAIK there are actually very few "real" Japanese Jiu-Jitsu systems (of whatever romanization spelling) around in the West. Almost all Jiu-Jitsu in the West has been "derived" by Westerners in pretty much the same manner as the "new" Ju-Jutsu, with the only difference that it happened a few decades earlier and was more Japanese-centric. So in Jiu-Jitsu you would find "Karate" punches and "Judo" throws, whereas in Ju-Jutsu you also have Wing Chun-like chain punching... =o) At least that's what I gathered from a recent (serious) discussion on de.rec.sport.budo . Ciao, Ingo - --- "Matters of great concern should be treated lightly." - Lord Naoshige "Matters of small concern should be treated seriously." - Master Ittei ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:49:12 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: NYC FMA Modern Arnis Domog 188 East 3rd. Street(Ave A & B) 212-614-3250 http://members.tripod.com/VillageMartialArts ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:54:00 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: German Ju-Jutsu > Doesn't matter what you think about it... =o) It is a fact that in Germany > the different romanizations are used to distinguish different systems, Ah, so it is something done only in Germany. I can buy that... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:01:19 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #543 Hi Ray, > > systems popular at that time. The spelling Ju-Jutsu is important, > > because the Jiu-Jitsu, Ju-Jitsu have their roots in japanese systems, > > the Ju-Jutsu is the germany version. > > Ummm, no I don't think so... Ju-Jutsu is simply the proper/current > romanization of the graphs for the name of this Japanese art. Jiu-Jitsu > and Ju-Jitsu are still seen, but they are incorrect romanizations of the > art's name. You may be correct with the romanisation of the japanese Kanji, but here in Germany, Jiu-Jitsu was introduced by some japanese sailors form a battleship around 1908. Since then, at least here, it was always spelled Jiu-Jitsu. This is why they chose Ju-Jutsu in 1969 to make a difference. I cannot speak about any other countries, may be totally different in the US, I just know that here in Germany, it is that way, that only the Ju-Jutsu is reffering to the system that was generated in Germany. All other Jiu-Jitsu, Ju Jitsu etc. versions have other roots. Best regards from Germany Dieter - -- Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: ARNISTE@aol.com Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 03:56:46 EST Subject: eskrima: NAAKESC in CA. May 2001 Meowmix to all, The Upcoming Rated Stick Fight will be May 2001,The North American Arnis Kali Eskrima Silat Council(NAAKESC) in Beutiful and Sunny California,USA. There will be 3 Divisions: Lightweight= 160-179 lbs. Middleweight= 180-199 lbs. Heavyweight =200- 230 lbs. This will be $500.00 on hand and a New Champion Belt for the Winner!!!!!!!!!! For those who came to the PCAT Stick Fight last Nov.4th you have the golden opportunity to be aChampion for this THRILLA IN CALIFORNIA! So train hard and keep on tickin and for more info pls. Email: Arniste@aol.com Write: CATSociety 3914 Atlantic Ave.,Long Beach,CA. 90807 Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad Combat Arnis Tabak Society Also memo for Steve I`ll send you this later so you can post this to ArnisBalite You trained under RBM Ramos TRACMA INT`L., I did train with him too,Thanks. ------------------------------ From: "Mike aka Shugendo" Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:24:23 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: Frank Cucci I've known Frank for almost ten years now and consider him one of the top martial artists and instructors around. While I haven't seen him in a couple years I know his schools are doing very well and have produced some top competitors in NHB fights. If you ever get the chance to train at his school do it... Michael A. Krivka @ Martial Arts Koncepts Home Page: http://www.martialartskoncepts.com Email: shugendo@hotmail.com or koncepts@bellatlantic.net Phone: 301/963-6520 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ From: Kendal Coats Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:12:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Seminole Slur Ray, Some of us Native Ameicans find this type of humor offensive. Where is your false news story about other racial slurs, Like I havent seen Jews so outraged since Poland 1943. Come on there is no place for this, by the way the practice os scalping was originated by US Troops to proove they had killed an Indian, so they could be paid, that is where the bounty on scalps came from. If I offended any of the Jewish members of teh list I'm sorry but I was making a point. Kendal Coats Gi-Na Dha Li > From: Ray Terry > Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 12:09:44 PST > Subject: eskrima: Seminole Tribe Files Lawsuit > > Just for fun... > > Ray > - > - -------------------------------------------------------- > > WEST PALM BEACH, Fla., Nov. 10 - Leaders of > Florida's > Seminole tribe filed suit today in federal court, > claiming that the use of arrows on election ballots > was > demeaning and intimidating to Native Americans. > > The suit alleges that nearly 19,000 members of the > tribe, who had intended to vote for George W. Bush, > became so distraught at the sight of the arrows that > their hands began to shake uncontrollably, causing > them > to mispunch the ballot. > > The chief of the tribe noted that many of these > people > left the polls in tears, and came to him saying > they "knew they had punched more than one hole in > the ballot." > > The suit calls for the scalp of the local election > officials who designed the ballot. > > ------------------------------ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 7:44:01 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Seminole Slur > this, by the way the practice os scalping was > originated by US Troops to proove they had killed an > Indian, so they could be paid, that is where the > bounty on scalps came from. Actually it was the British and French... 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