From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #547 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 21 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 547 In this issue: eskrima: re: FMA in NYC : Re: eskrima: Re: Origins of Serrada eskrima: Joke Post eskrima: Re: Balintawak Arnis Escrima eskrima: Native american arts Re: : Re: eskrima: Re: Origins of Serrada eskrima: Re: Another View of the Pageant eskrima: patience eskrima: Baratero eskrima: Use of the term "Moro" eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ngo Vinh-Hoi" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:46:48 -0500 Subject: eskrima: re: FMA in NYC To All, Those of you interested in San Miguel Eskrima in New York City can look up our website at www.eskrima.com and then e-mail either myself or James Seetoo (jimms@pipeline.com) for further details. Happy Thanksgiving everybody, Ngo Vinh-Hoi Instructor San Miguel Eskrima hoi@pipeline.com ------------------------------ From: "Ingmund Forberg" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:24:39 Subject: : Re: eskrima: Re: Origins of Serrada Hi, I have only seen Serrada a couple of times so I might be wrong about this but it seems to me that Serrada treats the stick more as a stick while Defondo treats it more as a blade. By the way, has anyone ordered tapes from P. Greg Alland (www.pekititirsia.com and kalisilat.com)? I'm thinking of ordering but would like to know it anyone know what their delivery times are. Take care, IF _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 21 Nov 00 05:23:20 CST Subject: eskrima: Joke Post Pardon my humble $0.02 worth, but isn't it reasonable to consider that just because some are not offended by something, the concerns of those who ARE offended should be ignored? "Our" society grows increasingly fricked up because people trod on others in all kinds of messed up ways just to perpetuate their "X" attitude and have some ego fun at the expense of others. Our very government is the result of concepts borrowed from Native America, no matter what people have to say about British law ... the structure comes from the study of the Iroquois Confederacy (don't believe me, test it ... check it out). No matter what our lineages or concerns may be, we will all be in a better place if we can respect the littlest of things that hurt another (unless they're trying to hurt us!). To ignore the fact that something that we -choose- to do may injure another wrongly is a bad way to go. It speaks ill-will and disrespect, no matter what our "enlightened" attitudes might suggest. Hey, I'm no saint, but I think that a little quiet apology would have been better than tangential intellectual asides. No saint and nobody special here, but reading what could be taken as taunts in response to someone's communication of pain ... we can do better. We are all the same people, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ From: Ken McDonough Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 04:31:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Balintawak Arnis Escrima Mr. Pasiwk noted his training, re: Have you studied Balintawak Arnis Escrima in Cebu City, re: Pardo. Who was your instructor. I have plane reservations for the PI in January. I have been to the PI many times. Care to share your training, instructor recommendations, and so forth. Hit me privately if you wish. Thanks, Ken McD... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: "Dale" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:42:53 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Native american arts Has anyone on the list had any experience with Native American martial arts? I'd be interested in hearing how similar or dissimilar they are to many of the Filipino martial arts. I remember an article in Full Contact years ago that interviewed Blaize Loong (sp?) that studied NA martial arts as well as the arts mentioned here on this list. - ------------------------------------------- See you in the sticks, Dale MCP, MCP+I, MCSE Wk: 804-292-7421 www.kalieskrima.com - ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 6:46:26 PST Subject: Re: : Re: eskrima: Re: Origins of Serrada > I have only seen Serrada a couple of times so I might be wrong about this > but it seems to me that Serrada treats the stick more as a stick while > Defondo treats it more as a blade. Serrada is a blade art. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Books Inc." Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:02:44 -0330 Subject: eskrima: Re: Another View of the Pageant > From: Ernie Aragon > I agree with all that you've said that women or all people for that matter > should not be judged on their looks alone or by their looks at all. But it > seems to me that the person who put up the contest had another thing in > mind. The fault here is that he should have put a listing of > accomplishments for judging. Another thing is that the term "Beauty > Pageant" was not his. He only used "Pageant". It was I used used the > phrase "sort of beauty pageant" because it was not clear yet what he wanted > it to be. Of course, as I said, the term pageant is usually used in that > context, hence my conclusion. While we all may judge him or her for what > he put up, I believe we must look at things from a different angle than > what we're used to. The point here is that we should not be ethnocentric, > that is looking at things from our own cultural point of view only. I'll give you an Amen, Ernie :) I agree that we should not judge all cultures by our own standards, especially since it seems to me that the North American western standards are the ones which most often promote very rigid and unrealistic ideas about what is attractive (especially with regards to women), through "fashion", "beauty" pageants and media. I have no problem with a pageant which promotes women in FMA, or any other non-traditional (by our standards!) area, if the qualifying criteria is not how pretty they are, or how good they look in a bathing suit. I imagine we should all clean our own house before we go and start in on others'. It's okay to offer to help - it's not okay to go in and impose our own standards. for the record, my "hot button" needs something a bit more serious to set it off...if women who wanted nothing more than to stay home and keep house and have children were being forced to go off and train in martial arts and compete etc etc., I would have a big problem with it. And vice versa, if women were being told to stay home and *not* train in m.a. However, from what I saw, the website pageant is trying to encourage and highlight the fact that there are women who are striving to gain knowledge, ability and strength; it is not promoting "style without substance" , if you will. IMHO. :) jocelyne ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:37:06 -0000 Subject: eskrima: patience And Toms simple fact has been characterised in many kung fu films. Tom Meadows:, rent the "Kung Fu" series pilot episode. It will explain why the traditional Chinese systems made you wait outside the school in the snow for a few days before they let you in....without nintendo games or e-mail to while the time away. My first ever experience in Muay Thai and this was explained to me by the seminar instructor Gary Derrick (UK) who was a champion under Master Toddy. He explained that it was natural for a prospective student to approach a master many times in Thai tradition and request permission to train. So this was not exclusive to one area and was a tactic used by several "masters" in order to test the sincerity of the student. In my environment we do not do it that way but I do believe that Rick Faye gets his senior students to do 6 months work with a voluntary organisation as part of their development? Can anyone comment on this? Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:32:11 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Baratero Greetings, The Baratero style is covered in detail in chapter five of James Loriega's book "Sevillian Steel". It's an excellent book on the Spanish styles, and I believe James is working on a sequel. It is a Paladin Press publication ISBN #1-58160-039-9 and I recommend it highly. Tom Meadows ------------------------------ From: "jose saguisabal" Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:44:28 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Use of the term "Moro" Hi 'all: I just wanted to comment about the word "Moro". My instructor is a Filipino-Muslim and says that the term "Moro" was given by the Spanish to the Muslims (just as they called Filipinos "Filipinos" and "Indios"). It was a descriptor, not a slur. He does not find that term offensive, and neither do the three Filipino-Muslim friends of his. In fact, they sometimes use it to refer to other Muslims and his martial art. However, I know from my parents and others that many FILIPINOS look down on Muslims because of ethnocentrism, and to THEM, to call someone a "Moro" has the same connotation as caucasians calling someone a "Jew" who is cheap, or a "Jap" if they betray you. I guess it all depends on what you mean when you say it. Jay Get FREE Email/Voicemail with 15MB at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 9:23:48 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #547 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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