From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #550 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 23 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 550 In this issue: eskrima: RE:To be alive....... eskrima: Re: Hubud Clinch eskrima: Re: [Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #548] eskrima: Re: Serrada Stick of Blade eskrima: PC BS, Indian MA and Balintawak eskrima: Book Review: Science of Martial Arts Training eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Facilitating Awareness Through Empowerment 1-888-526-4626 F.A.T.E@f-a-t-e.org www.f-a-t-e.org ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:27:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Hubud Clinch Pat, thanks for the explanation from your view. I guess I missed a few things the first time I read Terry's post(thanks also Terry for the original post-I'm suprised there wasn't more interest on this subject). Crafty, have you also worked with this. I tried this out, to the best that I understood it with James Monday night, and I think I like. Alot. What I got from reading, and I'll be sure to ask Guro I when I make it up there sometime next month, was somewhat the following: First I let James MT style clinch up with me and gain major control of my neck. Than I took my left hand and reached across his body near his left shoulder/neck area. Next, I crossed my right hand across my body down to his right hip. The first thing I noticed was that I did feel open on the high line left side, since my left hand was crossed over his body. The thing that I enjoyed and felt familiar with was how my right hand, forearm, and elbow protected me from his knees similar to what I like to work from the stick clinch, though usually with my left(free) arm that traps up his arm in a stick clinch. From there we struggled and I asked him to throw some thing at me, where he quickly discovered his knees couldn't get in. To be able to really make your left elbow work against his right hooks though, I think you really really have to do some isolated sparring from this position, but all in all at an 80% clinch struggle, where I asked him to knee or sweep me if he could, and 20% punching with speed bag gloves, I found this to be something that goes into the bag of tools in the clinch. The position also allows one to put in some little FMA tricks, like small elbows and a few things that you can find in "classroom" hubud. Whether or not, this is the way Guro I did it, and Terry and Patrick meant to describe it, I found something nice for myself. So Terry and Patrick-or Crafty-or anyone else that is familiar with what was being discussed here-am I close or totally off to the description? Either way, a huge THANKS. Looking forward to response, Chad ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: 22 Nov 00 16:31:16 CST Subject: eskrima: Re: [Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #548] << Pardon my humble $0.02 worth, but isn't it reasonable to consider that just because some are not offended by something, the concerns of those who ARE offended should be ignored? >> Aiya ... I meant to say ... IS it reasonable to consider that just because some are not offended by something, the concerns of those who ARE offended should be ignored? Essentially saying that it may be reasonable to consider that the concerns of those who are offended or insulted should NOT be ignored. We are all the same people, - -Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ From: hav2bnu@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:49:00 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Re: Serrada Stick of Blade >It depends on who is teaching the art and the progression they use. I know a >number of SFPD officers who have trained in basic Serrada as a stick art and >they swear by it. They feel confident based on training and experience that >they will be able diminish and/or stop an attacks energy and then lock their >suspect up. (Hopefully with the help of back up; they are not stupid.) >Point being is that Serrada is a highly effective stick art with nuances that one >might not use with a blade. I find this point of view odd, considering that almost all of the basic counters are blade techniques. So, even if you think you are learning a stick art, you are still learning a blade art. >A high percentage of basic Serrada training is >learning how to jam and block an opponents energy. Could you please elaborate on this? IMO, the majority of techniques are either parries, deflections or sweeps. This would seem to be a good combination for blade fighting. Remember, flow. >At the higher levels of training Serrada does have a blade only curriculum >with different intents and nuances. IMO, the intent of Serrada never changes, only your own abilities and knowledge level. At higher levels, you are still using the basic techniques. You are just adding to and refining them. >Also when I train blade intent, I prefer to train with a blade: whether that >be with a wooden, synthetic, or metal replica. This has also been my >experience with other Serrada practitioners who train at a high level. So I >would agree with your assessment that Serrada treats a stick as a stick. >Serrada also treats a blade like a blade. If you would always treat the stick as a blade, it would be less confusing. Let me ask you this question. When you spar, do you ever use a four as a "get over on" (kill) move? This is a perfect example of using the stick as a blade. Jim ------------------------------ From: rocpas@ameritech.net Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:54:23 -0500 Subject: eskrima: PC BS, Indian MA and Balintawak Tom M., Nice post about the PC BS its amazing about every 10 to 20 years common widely accepted terms become unacceptable. I figure 50 years from now terms that are no longer acceptable now but were acceptable 40 years ago will be back in style again. Like Crafty's Lime green Leasure suit, You know you got one Crafty... Its amazing nobody is fat, tall or skinny, instead now we are all challenged. You can't call Ray a an old man anymore, we must now refer to him as youthfully challenged.:-) ITs funny a few months back I took my 27 month old daughter to the Doc's for a check up. She is very bright not like dad at all, she is reading and wrighting and of course doing Eskrima on about a 4 to 5 year old level. The Doc said every thing was fine and that we should get her into some sort of challenging pre school as soon as possible. Then he asks if she ever has problems paying attention or losses interest quickly or tends to be hyper, to which I replied no. And of course the way he asked, I had to ask why. So he tells me that sometimes kids that excell at her pace can have other issues.... "ISSUES" right there I had to stop him, and introduce him to Rock's world. I told him that issues are things that you discuss, like last weeks news paper or yesterdays stock report, if something interfears with my daughters, well-being in any way shape of form than its' a problem and I or we will fix the problem not stand around and discuss it, like yesterdays news. He was actually happy to here me say that, it turns out he to is tiered of the PC BS, but has to watch his P's and Q's around the office. Its ridiculous. On the Indian martial arts thing, for those of you who have trained in any of the Cuentada De Mano with me, the many strikes that we do with the blade of the forearm, and the low line single leg hooks come from my Uncle on my mothers side, who was 50% Cherokee and 50% Italian and 50% Jim Beam. I don't know what he call it but it was some form of Indian fighting, he also used a large stick that was shaped at one end almost like a rifle butt, but I never learned anything of it. Of course the forearm striking is also popular in the Crossada method too. Mr. McDonough, No I haven't been to the Philippines yet, Grand MAster Buot is here in Michigan, he is the GM of the original Anciong method. However in the Philippines, there are a number of off springs of the original, like Master Moncols people, Master Maranga's people, Some of GM Tabodas people. And here in the states you have, GM Dom Lopez and Mike Zimmers people in Vancouver, GM Bobby Tabadas people in CA. IND. NC. MY group in AZ and MI and N.Y and many more. THanks Rocky P.S I will no longer be referred to as " White Boy " I'm CHerokee Indian, Russian, Ukrainian, Italian American damn it and that's how I want to be addressed :-) It's the PC way!!! And I guarantee that my mix is more of a minority than 90% of those that claim to be.. Well I am not going to stand for it anymore. " Here me now my fellow Cherokee Indian, Russian, Ukrainian, Italian, Americans I say take up arms now and riot and protest until we get what we think is ours". We will rally in Detroit then we'll all load into my VW van and drive to Washington D.C to march on Capitol Hill. ..... Hey if we take turns, it'll only be 3 hours of driving a peace :-) ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:46:51 EST Subject: eskrima: Book Review: Science of Martial Arts Training I needed a study break, so I wrote the first of a number of book and video reviews I intend to write in the next few months. - Alain The Science of Martial Arts Training By Charles I. Staley, MSS Reviewed by Alain Burrese This book is written with the premise that proper training methodologies should be adhered to in the interest of safety and to optimize the satisfaction and enjoyment available from athletic training. As a martial artist and personal trainer, I found this book to be a very good addition to my training library. Staley has laid out principles of training that will enable any martial artist to design a better training program. However, I do feel this book will best serve those martial artists that train for competition, especially those who compete at the higher levels. The book covers the basics of sport training, and how it adapts to the martial artist, and I specifically liked the information on periodization, since I am also a firm believer of this important training principle. This book does not have an exhaustive catalog of exercises, but rather a few specific exercises for each body part. Staley points out the martial art applications of each of these muscle groups as well. The exercises that are included are those that every martial artist would be advised to incorporate into their strength program. Staley also covers the basics of nutrition, prevention and management of injuries, technical and tactical preparation and psychological preparation on competition day in subsequent chapters. Staley points out that some of the different philosophies on some of these topics while presenting sound information for the reader. While not a comprehensive treatise on these subjects, Staley has achieved his goal of presenting a primer with the most important issues addressed. I especially liked that Staley pointed out that every athlete is different, and not everyone will respond to the same program. Additionally, an athlete might not respond to the same program the same way as he or she progresses though the years. With this in mind, Staley encourages the reader to become competent in the principles of designing a training program so that the individual can use the information presented in their own individual training. For the recreational martial artist, this book can help integrate training principles to enable the reader to gain more from their martial art activities. For the martial artist that is concerned with self-betterment, this book can help you maximize your training effectiveness, training that also will benefit an individual in a self-defense situation. For the competitive martial artist, or coach of such athletes, this book is a must read. It will help devise a training regimen that integrates the components of: skill training, strength development, flexibility, speed and quickness training, tournament strategy, motivation, nutrition, restoration and others. If you want to compete among today's elite athletes, Charles Staley, and "The Science of Martial Arts Training" will help you get there ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 7:16:35 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #550 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.