From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #552 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 25 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 552 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #551 eskrima: Re: Hubud Clinch eskrima: Speaking of being "Politically Correct"... eskrima: Cross training eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #551 eskrima: Pekiti Seminar eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 15:56:13 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #551 In a message dated 11/24/00 11:08:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Just a short thought on the P/C issue...When the election returns were being reported(?) back in 1996 the commentator from Atlanta, Ga. used these words "...a lot will depend on how much of the "Bubba Vote" (my italics) that the Republicans can get out..." So you see Kim, White Southern Hetro Males, are the only ones that neither have any spokes group nor any protection from snide remarks. Laugh it off. >> I will never make another post concerning this issue, save for this one...I state again that if the joke had been made about African-Americans, Mexican-Americans, or dare I say, Filipinos, the contributors here would have been falling over each other in the scramble to apologize. No, I don't intend to "laugh it off." Kim ------------------------------ From: andrew thom Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 16:42:02 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Hubud Clinch The position also allows one to put in some little FMA tricks, like small elbows and a few things that you can find in "classroom" hubud. Whether or not, this is the way Guro I did it, and Terry and Patrick meant to describe it, I found something nice for myself. So Terry and Patrick-or Crafty-or anyone else that is familiar with what was being discussed here-am I close or totally off to the description? Either way, a huge THANKS. Looking forward to response, Chad Having been in Guro Inosanto's clinch at the Oregon camp this summer I must say I found myself eating alot of elbows and knees. But please don't think that Guro's kali flavored tie up is his "improvement" on the Muay Thai plum. I am a regular student of his MT class and he does teach the classic hips tight, curved knee tie up. I believe it's merely what comes natural to Guro when in a sparring situation. Terry, or anyone else who was at the Pacific Northwest camp this year may recall the Krabi Krabong sparring we did. We all got a pair of wooden da's, got into groups of 20-30 and basically waged war. What came out of Guro at first looked like Krabi, but then came the abaniko's and siniwali and all the kali you'd expect from him. After the dust settled (literally) you had fighters less than half Guro's age who went against him rubbing their knuckles and elbows, smiling and shaking their heads. Once again, don't take this as his version of Krabi Krabong but merely the way he sparred using two wooden sticks. - -Andy ------------------------------ From: "jose saguisabal" Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 17:18:40 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Speaking of being "Politically Correct"... Mikal Keenan wrote: "I hearya hombre ... most days I'd rather spend in the gym than in the office. **A certain type**(MY EMPHASIS) is becoming bolder in their harassing ways and me, I gotta be with the office "etiquette" if I want a career." What "certain type" is that Mikal? Is that type the "loud and boisterous" type? A racial type? It seems to me that some "types" who were never afforded the luxury of being allowed to voice their opinions and KEEP a job (let alone, LIVE) in this country should be permitted to voice their opinions once in a while without offending anyone. So, since you made that statement, exactly what "type" are you talking about? Sorry for the puffing, everyone. I just felt bold behind the protection of my keyboard... Jay Get FREE Email/Voicemail with 15MB at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:47:27 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Cross training "The best martial artists today are not found in Asia, but in the U.S. because Americans cross train." Dr. Maung Gyi at the NYC knife seminar June 2000. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Badger Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 22:22:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #551 Hi all, In response to Tuhon Bill's comment and others about spanish styles of blade fighting, I'm reminded that Anthony De Longis and Robert Chapin reportedly taught a type of stage combat (theatrical) at the Inosanto Academy. For those among the group who are also Highlander the TV series fans, they may recall an epi called "Duende". This was described as being based on a type of Spanish Rapier and Dagger dueling, in an ancient Spanish court fighting grid known as the Mysterious Circle. Don't know if this is historically accurate, but the style had some elements similar to espada y daga, although very stylized, and artificial. By that I mean more like a pre-arranged dance, feeding moves to each other. But this 'style' left out several of the natural alive hand moves, was discontinuous, losing the 'touch', or contact flow, here and there. Supposedly, De Longis was an expert at this type of dueling practice, based on a real system. Duende is also a term related to Flamenco Dancing, for what that's worth. Even so, it was interesting to watch having the structured eye that escrima gives you. So maybe it's not really a spanish knife-fighting concept or style, but seems relevant, so I thought I'd mention it. As a further postscript, it was interesting to note that the actor playing 'MacLeod', Adrian Paul, reportedly was doing a movie in the orient, and according to the 'fan' grapevine studied some stick fighting for the role. In some of the last epis of the final season, you see some double stick fighting, and as a plot point, since the main character had 'hung up his sword', he used the sticks instead to fight. Too bad they didn't do more of this, etc. Paul and F. Braun McAshe, the swordmaster in the series are pretty decent martial artists, and HL, the series was one of the more dynamic shows using several martial styles and concepts. Of course for the dramatic part, there was a whole lot of 'swords hitting swords', which is not reality, but other than that, fun stuff. Hope this is of interest to the group. - -Badger Arnis Lastra, Arnis Lanada ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 01:07:52 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pekiti Seminar Art: Pekiti-Tirsia Kali-Arnis-Eskrima Instructor: Tuhon Bill McGrath Date: Dec. 2nd, 2000 Location: Newington, CT Contact: Mr. Dave Everett (860) 232-0109 http://www.white-lotus.com This seminar will focus on "down and dirty" lessons in stick combat. Curriculum: Eskrima stick power strikes. Walking stick strikes in three ranges. Advanced Footwork against larger or multiple opponents. Stick Chokes and grappling. This seminar is my answer to the question, "If you only had one day to teach someone how to fight with a stick, what would you teach?" Since this thread has come up from time to time on the digest, it would be great to see some digest members at this seminar. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 8:01:10 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #552 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.