From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #557 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 29 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 557 In this issue: Re: eskrima: Re: Origins of Serrada re: eskrima: combat drills ? Re: eskrima: Re: Origins of Serrada eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #556 eskrima: FMA Database eskrima: Re: Question on Cross-Training eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Sheehy Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:15:54 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Origins of Serrada Ray wrote: > > I'm also curious about the similarities between Cabales Serrada and Estilo > > de Fondo. A quick review of two recent Tuttle publications shows that the > > striking systems are almost identical. > > de Fondo is probably similar to Serrada because GM Giron used to hang around > Angel's Stockton Academy where he would have witnessed Serrada in action. I thought GM Giron was primarily Largomano, not de Fondo. Did he do both? >From what I'm told Giron and Revillar worked together at a warehouse and often worked out during "slack" time. Giron probably picked up a lot of Serrada via that route. I was under the distinct impression that Angel felt competitive with Giron to the point that he forbid his students to cross train with Giron. At least, my instructors were forbidden to work out at Giron's school and Angel withheld their diplomas when they disregarded his wishes. Dave ------------------------------ From: Dave Sheehy Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:37:05 PST Subject: re: eskrima: combat drills ? Ray Terry wrote: > IMHO some (many?) of the drills we practice do not fully prepare us for all > out combat situations. e.g. in flow sparring, we do a one for one, I attack > as you block, then you attack as I block, then repeat that sequence N times. > In lock-n-block one is the feeder while the other is the feedee. In neither > case is one practicing actual strategies that may be needed to quickly > and appropriately end those highly intense interpersonal encounters. > > Yes, contact sparring can help develop that. But what drills or teaching > methods have you tried to help the student develop their 'eye' for combat? In our Serrada group we take the basics-lock&block-flow drill progression one step farther to free sparring (for lack of a better term). According to my instructor (one of) the purpose for the flow drill is to teach you to feel the rhythm of the motion. Once you can feel that rhythm you can now learn how to break that rhythm in order to insert a hit/jam/block whatever. We used to use just bare sticks and people but in our old age (and after a few injuries) have moved to padded sticks and people. :-) It isn't combat because we try to make it a natural follow on to the flow drill where you try to keep the motion continuous. There are breaks where you have to re-engage but in general once you're in you try to keep it going. We also aren't using full force hits and practice at various speeds (especially with the less experienced people). After doing this for many years I read "The Way and the Power" hoping to pick up a few new tricks to try and found that I'd already figured out a lot of them on my own. Good book by the way. Dave ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:04:55 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Origins of Serrada > .... I was under the distinct impression that Angel felt competitive > with Giron to the point that he forbid his students to cross train with > Giron. At least, my instructors were forbidden to work out at Giron's school > and Angel withheld their diplomas when they disregarded his wishes. IMHO competitive is not the right term to use here, but they clearly did not get along. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Bernd Giller" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:55:23 +0100 Subject: eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #556 Hi guys! Thanks for your replys - they were very imformative! What a strange world for somebody training for Pekiti Tirsia 10 years ;-)))) I forgot: Whatīs about collabsible batons in England like ASPīs? Greetings from Germany! Bernd ------------------------------ From: "Ken Grubb" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:16:51 -0800 Subject: eskrima: FMA Database Has the FMA Database been moved? The URL I have for it is no longer working. Ken Grubb Lacey, WA ------------------------------ From: "Worth, Michael" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:31:17 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Question on Cross-Training Hi, all, Interestingly enough, the theories of "pressure-point" fighting (called kyusho in Okinawan-based styles) complement the FMA very well. I have a bunch of Sifu Paul Vunak's videos, and there were a lot of times that he's indicating the location of nerve-strikes on the arm and leg, and they coincide exactly with acu-pressure points. I guess it makes sense, since fundamentally, acupuncture points are places where the nervous system is very sensitive and accessible externally, so it stands to reason that the FMA figured out, "wow, if I hit here, the guy's arm goes numb, and his legs buckle. Better remember that!" Like anything else, though, it's not the style, it's the instructor and the training. I've had Kyusho instructors who taught it in a very hard, Shotokan-based way; that did not blend at all with my Kali training (and taught me some horrible habits along the way). OTOH, I had this one instructor who taught the kyusho techniques out of fluid drilling, with lots of footwork and boxing styling, and it was easy to incorporate the two (or 28, if you count all of JKDC's influences!). Really, it's the core philosophy of the instructor, rather than the style; if he teaches in a rigid, non-fluid fashion, and you've been training the other way, well, then... you're outta luck. As always, your best guide is your own feeling of "is this making me a better martial artist? Does this feel right for my training?" Best wishes for the holidays, Mike Worth Philadelphia (City of Brotherly Love Handles) From: rudolf@kimbel.net Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 02:17:49 +0100 Subject: eskrima: re: A Question on Cross-Training You'll quickly notice what's compatible. Karate, TKD and such are not, their straight movements are too different. I watched a guy in our Eskrima group who also did karate, I always saw when he had done karate the day before. Boxing and Thai Boxing are compatible, IMHO. The main objective is that the footwork and movements do not collide. Rudolf. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 7:31:36 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #557 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.