From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #559 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 30 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 559 In this issue: eskrima: Striking the ground?? Re: eskrima: Re: Origins of Serrada eskrima: San Diego FMA schools eskrima: escrima in Turkey eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #557 eskrima: Remy Presas eskrima: Remy Presas eskrima: Re: ASP eskrima: re: ASP - UK eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Walter Vorhauer" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:49:06 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Striking the ground?? Greetings, Does anyone have an insight on certian striking patterns of Serrada eskrima? For example, while I was surfing one of the websites of Serreda eskrima, I viewed some of the MPEG video files that they had on this particular site and I noticed that a certian strike/follow-up pattern. It was where the individual would peridocially throughout his striking pattern, would hit the ground with the end of his stick, which would then be followed up by a strike, and then moments later would hit the ground with the end of his stick again. I've also noticed this in video footage of Jose Mena of the Doblete Rapillion system as well. Is there a significance to this particular movement where one hits the ground with ones stick? Is there a key element in this "striking the ground" movement? Is it personal flavor of the individual, or does it have a purpose within the striking patterns of eskrima? Thank you for the insight. Walter V. __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com ------------------------------ From: Dave Sheehy Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:59:29 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Origins of Serrada Ray wrote: > > .... I was under the distinct impression that Angel felt competitive > > with Giron to the point that he forbid his students to cross train with > > Giron. > > IMHO competitive is not the right term to use here, but they clearly did not > get along. I agree, I was searching for the right (non-inflammatory) word to use and "competitive" was the best I could come up with at the time. Dave ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:06:00 -0800 Subject: eskrima: San Diego FMA schools Greetings, Last issue Tim Kashino asked about San Diego Schools. He should check out James Stacey's school, the Academy of World Martial Arts, 1850 Hacienda Dr. Suite 11, Vista, Ca 92083, 760-758-8500. James has great credentials in the Inosanto line and is a very good instructor in several arts. His website is www.junfanjeetkunedo.com Tom Meadows ------------------------------ From: "aytug aksu" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:49:49 -0500 Subject: eskrima: escrima in Turkey hi guys, I will be relocating soon to Istanbul/Turkey, and was wondering if you know a place where I can parttake in escrima classes. thanks in advance aytug ____________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "q" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:32:06 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #557 >Ray Terry wrote: >> Yes, contact sparring can help develop that. But what drills or teaching >> methods have you tried to help the student develop their 'eye' for combat? > >In our Serrada group we take the basics-lock&block-flow drill progression >one step farther to free sparring (for lack of a better term). >Dave I'm a late entrant to this thread. When I first was learning I thought drills where garbage. They where like the busiwork the teacher gave you after teaching a concept. Remember those days of pages of long division? That is what a drill is. I always thought and learned by doing in pretty heavy sparring in "beltless stay where you think you can hang" type classes that put realistic experiance before drill and regurgitated technique. That stuff was there but with less emphasis. Nearly 30 years later I beleive that Drills are the slow way but possible way to learn. Sparring is the fast way and the more realistic the faster. Realistic sparring is most important in the formative years to develop real time real contact skills. The nuances of technique can always be learned later and that is really what advanced people do anyway as they try to learn "advanced" technique. Drills take on a greater importance once the sparring/combat skills are forged so that one can retain muscle memory and memory of technique and technique application. So there is only one way to get the eye for combat and that is to do it. It rarely looks pretty in motion but that is not the point. A few weeks ago I was out racing with friends in the alfa club. I drove this pretty red Ferrari but the fastest car on the track was this ugly bodyless frame with a mustang motor. It was made for one purpose. The moral of the story is sometimes the pretty guy with all the technique doesn't win. I respectfully submit that drills are useless stuff for combat. Nothing proved that more than the early revolution in MA started by the doors openned Sigung Lee's technology vs. the canned MA of the day. Today almost everyone cross-trains and fights in their own way in real-time. I almost don't know anyone who doesn't grapple and 10 years ago only a handful of people had that edge. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kn=FCttel?=) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 07:36:27 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Remy Presas > From: "Carlo Seletaria" > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:43:52 > Subject: eskrima: Remy Presas > > I am inquiring if anybody will meet Grandmaster Remy Presas anytime soon, > because I have an important message to give to him, or if anybody knows any > direct contact with him. Thanks. > Carlo S. Hi Carlo, Professor Presas is recovering from a brain tumor surgery. He will stay private for a while until his health allows it to travel and teach again. If you want to send him an e-mail go to www.modernarnis.com and send it from there. You an also write to: Professor Remy Presas, c/o Yvette Wong 2553 Blackwood Street, Victoria BC Canada Please try not to phone him. It is his wish not to be contacted right now. Regards Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de European Modern Arnis Representative http://modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: "Ken Grubb" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:43:37 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Remy Presas Carlo Seletaria wrote: > I am inquiring if anybody will meet Grandmaster Remy > Presas anytime soon, because I have an important message > to give to him, or if anybody knows any direct contact > with him. You might try the IMAF website. You'll probably get a reply within a day or two, but don't expect it to come directly from The Professor, particularly given that The Professor would still seem to be recovering from health problems. http://www.modernarnis.com Ken Grubb Lacey, WA ------------------------------ From: Robin Vickery Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:52:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: eskrima: Re: ASP > From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Wed, 29 Nov > 2000 18:12:28 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: ASP > Ah, ha! I recently spoke with an assistant in a shop in > Newcastle (North East England) who told me that there are laws > covering guns and knives, but the ASp/collapsible baton is > legal. The police carry them, so can the public. > I'm hoping to get one for Christmas, so I'll quiz the guy about > the specific laws involved. Collapsible batons would come under Section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 which describes the offence of possessing an offensive weapon in a public place. An offensive weapon is defined for the purposes of the act as these types of article: * articles made for use for causing injury; * articles adapted for use for causing injury * articles carried for the purpose of causing injury. Knives come under Section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 which describes the offence of possessing any article with a blade or point in a public place. Folding knives with a blade of three inches or less are specifically excluded from this offence but presumably you could still be prosecuted for carrying an offensive weapon. For the purposes of this act, a knive with any kind of lock on the blade is not considered a folding knife. There's also the Offensive Weapons Act 1996 which covers possession of offensive weapons on school property and selling of knives to people under the age of sixteen. Bear in mind that England (and Wales) and Scotland have different legal systems. The above are English and Welsh laws. The Sentencing Advisory Panel's page at this URL: http://www.sentencing-advisory-panel.gov.uk/coaofwps.htm Has some interesting information about mitigating and aggravating factors that you might want to consider. hope this helps -robin ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:11:36 -0000 Subject: eskrima: re: ASP - UK In reference, Bill Lowery: Ah, ha! I recently spoke with an assistant in a shop in Newcastle (North East England) who told me that there are laws covering guns and knives, but the ASp/collapsible baton is legal. The police carry them, so can the public. Wrong. The Asp is illegal to carry as it main purpose is a weapon. It has no definitive use otherwise. Its not legal to carry a gun although you may find the police doing so. The argument is flawed. Also in Scotland legislation has been made covering certain types of "martial arts weapons" This makes it illegal for any person to import, manufacture, sell, gift, loan or offer to sell any:- Flick knife - gravity knife - belt buckle knife - push dagger - butterfly (balisong) knife - sword stick - knuckle duster - hand or foot claw - throwing stars, etc..... In view to the conversation what is clearly evident is that people want to carry knives or some weapon in order to assist in defence. Regardless of the legal implications they are still prepared to carry the weapon if they feel the threat is strong enough. This is acceptable by many on the basis that you can determine what is right or wrong but there are many cases of people not taking their medication and watching Return of the Ninja 313 and seriously hurting someone completely innocent. Until recently I lived in a neighbourhood where the local drug runners openly carried knives. For this reason I made decisions for myself. Living outside that neighbourhood has lessened the risk of meeting the knife carrier but not totally eliminated it. I therefore have made choices that reflect that. It would be advisable that the choice reflects the implications if someone was to take the weapon and use it against you. Since statistically the greatest threat of assault is not in the street its worth considering why you feel the need to carry. Have you been watching too many movies recently? ; ) Now where has my steel comb gone? Pat Davies Aberdeen Martial Arts Group ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 6:40:34 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #559 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.