From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #560 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 30 Nov 2000 Vol 07 : Num 560 In this issue: eskrima: Strike the Ground+ eskrima: San Diego Training eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #559 eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #559 eskrima: Knife stories eskrima: Re: Seeking info on San Diego eskrima: Weapons in the UK eskrima: Giron and Serrada eskrima: Striking the ground eskrima: Recommendations eskrima: Weapons in Britain eskrima: Re: ASP Uk eskrima: Re: Planting The Rice eskrima: re: Striking the ground?? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mikal Keenan Date: 30 Nov 00 09:21:11 CST Subject: eskrima: Strike the Ground+ In my limited experience I've seen the strike to the ground as a strike to the foot. In Pekiti Tirsia Abecedario I think strike 6 (off of a #5 thrust) is carried to the ground followed by a "rebound" into an upward inside diagonal for #7 into a backhand thrust, #8. Don't everybody yell at once if I'm mistaken here. I've also seen a variation of what I learned as "Entry 3" where the first backhand is replaced by a witik, then a #2 to complete the Entry 3 rhythm. Variation on this was to put the ground/foot-hitting witik in before the two backhand strikes of a regular Entry 3. On Sigung Lee's technology: Based on what he developed into from lots of drills and repetition, no?:-) He also taught drills, yes? Freedom of expression through discipline ... or trial-and-error? Not taking a side or creating an issue ... just provoking some thought. Be well, Mik ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ From: "Brian T. Henderson" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:03:53 -0800 Subject: eskrima: San Diego Training Tim Kashino wrote: Hi everybody, It looks as though I will be relocating to San Diego in a few months. Can anyone tell me about the FMA scene and the Filipino community in the area? Thanks in advance. Hi Tim, In San Diego there is a very big Filipino community. While they are scattered through out the county, they are heavily located in the Southern areas (South Bay and National City). Through out the county, you will find many good FMA teachers (some operating from commercial studios, and some operating out of the home). If you are in the South Bay area, you may want to consider Grand Master Bert Labitan or Sifu Jay Cabauatan. I also teach, but have been sidelined after knee surgery, (until February). For more information on these teachers and my self please see my web site at: http://www.cmaministry.com and then follow the link to "The Cabauatan System of Escrima". Feel free to email me for more information, or any other way I can help you. May God richly bless you! Sifu Brian T. Henderson bthondo@ix.netcom.com http://www.cmaministry.com ------------------------------ From: "Bernd Giller" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:21:29 +0100 Subject: eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #559 Pat Davies wrote: "Since statistically the greatest threat of assault is not in the street its worth considering why you feel the need to carry. Have you been watching too many movies recently? ; )" Hi there! Good to know that GB - England is quite safe. But, someone training Pekiti Tirsia is normally used to carry a knife, otherwise I am "naked" ;-) Again thanks for your answers!!! Bernd ------------------------------ From: "Bernd Giller" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:21:45 +0100 Subject: eskrima: AW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #559 Pat Davies wrote: "Since statistically the greatest threat of assault is not in the street its worth considering why you feel the need to carry. Have you been watching too many movies recently? ; )" Hi there! Good to know that GB - England is quite safe. But, someone training Pekiti Tirsia is normally used to carry a knife, otherwise I am "naked" ;-) Again thanks for your answers!!! Bernd ------------------------------ From: T David Reyes Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:19:35 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Knife stories From todays newspaper; Arrest in Parade Fight- YUBA CITY- Two men were arrested during the annual Sikh Parade in Sutter County after some parade watchers grabbed SWORDS and BAMBOO STICKS and began to fight. The fight quickly dispersed when police arrived, Sheriff's Sgt, Bruce Hutchinson said. Three men suffered minor injuries in the melee. - -------------------- Deer Pays for attack- HERRIN, Ill.- A man out for a walk in the woods killed a deer with a POCKET KNIFE after the animal charged him. Paul Cheatman, 61 said he grabbed the six point, 130 pound buck by the horns when it attacked. He then held it with one hand, opened a pocket knife with his mouth and jabbed the deer in the rib cage. "I knew if I let go he would kill me," Cheatham said. " I hung on and got my legs around his neck. We wrestled around quite awhile." Cheatham suffered bruises over much of his body. Sige, David Reyes~ ------------------------------ From: "james lankford" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:08:09 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Seeking info on San Diego Although not primarily a FMA schools, Roy Harris does teach Kali. His is more of a jkd, kali, bjj school. His tapes on BJJ are rated the highest of any on the market because of the quality of instruction. He is meticulous when it comes the details. He understands the 'flow' and how moves relate to one another. Anyone who has seen his tapes will say that because of his teaching style his tapes set the standard by which all other tapes should be judged. I can guess that his kali teaching will be just a thourough. He makes frequent trips to the Philipines and is constantly training to improve himself. http://www.royharris.com/8250schedule.html If you don't want to take classes at his school, he has no problem recommending others schools. He is a really great guy. ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:15:13 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Weapons in the UK Greetings, Given that the Brit's really don't like weapons of any kind, to the best of my knowledge they have no restrictions on the carrying of canes. Proabably they encourage it. If you have a good bahi stick, put nice brass knob on one end and call it good.Or carry two and call it siniwalli. As a side note here: In the 1800's the British actually issued a patent on a gun that had two interchangeable barrels, one round and one square. The purpose as stated in the patent was " That it is indecent to shoot white people with the same type of bullets as one would use on the natives, thus the use of the second barrel solves the problem". ( Never mind how square bullets would go down the barrel). For anyone who thinks I made this up, you can find the details in the book titled "The social history of the machine gun". It is a great read to say the least..... Tom Meadows ------------------------------ From: hc1358@iwon.com Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:15:21 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Giron and Serrada Dear Members, As I understand it, there was bad blood between Angel and Giron. Giron used to learn under Angel, and that's why the chapter on de fondo closely resembles Serrada's basic strikes. At first, it seemed like a total "bite" on Serrada. But, in another light, people may mimic the basics. Basic moves are basic moves, like learning the alphabet. Not a big deal. What's important is how people put those basics, those letters in the alphabet, together into words and sentences. When we demo, we just do the basics--the angles, contras, lock and block, contra y contra, and maybe some empty-hand. But, we don't do the more advanced techniques, the real meaty stuff. Well, maybe a quick abaniko here, but really quick. You don't want to give up your tools that you worked hard for. Peace, Bob President IESA - -- iWon - Best Search Engine on the Web plus the chance to win $10,000 every day, $1 million every month and $10 million on Tax Day! See www.iwon.com for details. ------------------------------ From: "Tom Meadows" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:20:54 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Striking the ground Greetings, Here are the reasons I know of for the use of ground striking techniques: (1) As an audible distraction (2) As a feint (false stroke) on the low line(3) To gain speed from the effect of the rebound for the returning upward line. Personally I use it regularly to strike the ground between my student's legs in order to bounce it straight up into their crotch. If you do that often enough, they start to wince just from hearing the stick hit the floor. They also get MUCH better at protecting the low line. Tom Meadows ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:32:33 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Recommendations A Howl etc: Tom M wrote: > Last issue Tim Kashino asked about San Diego Schools. He should check out > James Stacey's school, the > Academy of World Martial Arts, 1850 Hacienda Dr. Suite 11, Vista, Ca > 92083, 760-758-8500. James has great credentials in the Inosanto line and > is a very good instructor in several arts. His website is > www.junfanjeetkunedo.com > Tom Meadows Amongst James' credentials are being an instructor in DBMA. He has fought well at a couple of Gatherings, including a notable fight with the human freight train known as "Big Erv". Also, while on the subject of recommendations, Machado BJJ Black Belt Chris Hauter is teaching Wednesday nights at the Inosanto Academy. Chris is the one who introduced me to the Machados (10 years ago!) and I began attending his class last night. Great innovative Vale Tudo and street fighting stuff. Lots of Kali integrated (which is something I've been working on of late). Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Texian555@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:29:49 EST Subject: eskrima: Weapons in Britain A few months ago I was crippled up by a heel spur, and needed a cane to hobble around. I got one from Canemaster, and found it to be a good, solid stick with lots of potential as a weapon. I carried it on several airlines without trouble, and in several cities and states. I don't imagine a bobbie would be too alarmed --especially if you put on a little limp when you saw him watching you. Cold Steel has some straight walking sticks on sale now in their flyer, quite cheap. Happy travels. ------------------------------ From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:30:07 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: ASP Uk Hi Guys, The shop sells the ASP's openly which is what led to the legality question. Again, when I go back to the shop I'll ask which law he was quoting, just for academic purposes. >Since statistically the greatest threat of assault is not in the street its worth considering why you feel the need to carry. Have you been watching too many movies recently? ; )< Nope! Well, "Tremors" with Fred Ward, but I don't think that's relevant!!! My girlfriend is black, and we have been having trouble with the local scumbags (ooh sorry, she's also a Social Worker, so I'm supposed to refer them them as disaffected scumba... youths ;-)). We've been told that theer is a Comabt 18 cell in the area, and I'm just looking at potentional defensive equipment which can relate to the FMA I practice/teach. Better a little bit paranoid than a little bit dead ;-) Bill ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:43:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Planting The Rice Striking the ground was taught to me as planting the rice, and for every five people you ask, you will get 5 different definitions. Hitting the feet, the bouncing effect to other strikes, the flow, hitting heavy strikes to bounce back into another strike instead of trying to atop it wqith strength or following through and giving pressure zero, etc., etc. Personally, I think it took place especially with short men nd long sticks. My question is, Is this a move that does not happen with taller people. I was taught this and always practiced it, but I stopped doing it, because my instructor is more that a foot shorter than me, and I didn't get the same effect of it that he did. ===== Chad chad@fullcontacthi.com Full Contact Stickfighting Hawaii http://www.fullcontacthi.com http://www.egroups.com/group/stickfighting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Dave Sheehy Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:32:11 PST Subject: eskrima: re: Striking the ground?? Walter wrote: > Does anyone have an insight on certian striking patterns of Serrada > eskrima? I can try. > It was where the individual would peridocially throughout his striking > pattern, would hit the ground with the end of his stick, which would > then be followed up by a strike, and then moments later would hit the > ground with the end of his stick again. I've also noticed this in video > footage of Jose Mena of the Doblete Rapillion system as well. Is there > a significance to this particular movement where one hits the ground > with ones stick? Is there a key element in this "striking the ground" > movement? Is it personal flavor of the individual, or does it have a > purpose within the striking patterns of eskrima? Thank you for the insight. There are a few reasons that I was specifically taught in Serrada. The first was in a technique called "Inside Under the Arm" where you strike the ground with the stick. The strike is really to the knee but we strike the ground so you can practice the hit w/o blowing someone's knee out. Second, during some blocks (e.g. Down Block) we are taught to make sure the tip of the weapon contacts the ground. This is the insure that the opponent can't slip their weapon around the tip of our weapon in order to get inside. That's a pretty awful description, it's easier to show than describe. Third, in some of the Largomano techniques we're taught to make contact with the tip of our weapon on the follow through of a downard strike. This guards against the opponent getting you with a low line cut that passes between the ground and the tip of the weapon. It sort of closes a hole in the zone. From watching tapes of other people bounce their weapon off the ground I would deduce a few addtional reasons: They are using the rebound to produce an offtime counter hit. Not a bad idea, I like it. They are using the sound as a distraction to throw off their opponent. They are copying some master (monkey see, monkey do) and they don't have a clue as to why they're doing it. :-) Disclaimer: My descriptions of Serrada techniques are how *I* was taught. They may or may not jive with the way other Serrada folks do things. I've not had much opportunity to travel around and see how much variation there is in the way things are done. Hope that helps, Dave ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:09:21 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #560 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.