From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #572 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 8 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 572 In this issue: eskrima: New videos with the late Suro Mike Inay RE: eskrima: Arnis, Fencing, Kendo & Western eskrima: Rorian Gracie... eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #571 eskrima: buying knives in NY eskrima: Juego Del Palo - Stick Fencing of the Canary Islands eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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For more information please go to my homepage: http://www.abanico.de then go to the english or german page (whatever you prefer) and then clik on "Inayan Eskrima" on the left side. In my opinion the videos are excellent and give honor to Suro Mike Inay. They show the high standard of Suro Mike Inay's knowledge and teaching abilities as well as the level of Abanico Video production quality. They will soon (probably early next year) be also available through Suro Jason Inay too. I have send a set to Ray Terry who will be kind enough to review the tapes for the Eskrima Digest, so that you will get a neutral comment about the tapes. If anybody has more questions, I will be more than happy to answer them, either here on the ED or via private e-mail. Best regards from Germany Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions http://www.abanico.de http://modern-arnis.de ------------------------------ From: Joe Marszalek Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:32:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: eskrima: Arnis, Fencing, Kendo & Western > From: Gary > Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:35:27 +0800 > Subject: eskrima: Arnis, Fencing, Kendo & Western > long sword > > Hello list members, > > Some of my friends ask me which weaponary art is > better if compare arnis, > fencing, kendo and western long sword, of course, in > regarding arnis, we > are only talking about stick & blade, excluding > empty hands issues. > > Does anyone have a good idea, since it is quite > difficult to answer this > big question, because each of the art got a very > long history and all > proven effective in different battle fields. I don't think you can say one art/style is better than the other. It all breaks down to... 1) Who is applying the art? The practitioner makes the art. The art doesn't make the practitioner. 2) What terrain/conditions you have to fight in? Rain, snow, desert, flat, hilly, dark room, crowded room, etc. 4) What range of fighting is involved? Is the practitioner prepared to grapple with his stick/sword. The Dog Brothers have shown how quickly stick or simulated espada y daga sparring can turn to a grappling game. 3) Who or how many people you are fighting? I'm sure other can think of even more factors. Joe Marszalek ===== Web Admin for Martial Arts Koncepts -- http://www.MartialArtsKoncepts.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 10:00:03 PST Subject: eskrima: Rorian Gracie... Funny... I was recently watching a rerun from the CHiPs TV show and there standing behind 'Ponch' was Rorian Gracie. He was an extra that was in-frame for about 10 or 15 seconds and then moved off camera, stage right. I wonder if 'Ponch and John' learned any GJJ from him? :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Mike Casto" Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:30:47 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #571 << From: Gary Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:35:27 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Arnis, Fencing, Kendo & Western long sword Hello list members, Some of my firends ask me which weaponary art is better if compare arnis, fencing, kendo and western long sword, of course, in regarding arnis, we are only talking about stick & blade, excluding empty hands issues. Does anyone have a good idea, since it is quite difficult to answer this big question, because each of the art got a very long history and all proven effective in different battle fields. gary >> Hi Gary, Well, as an FMA enthusiast, I'm a little biased. I can't say much about Western Long Sword, but I've had some experience with Kendo. A friend of mine got his 1st degree black belt in Kendo while he was living in Japan. He came back and we played some. He claimed to want to try Kendo vs. Kali. I had a couple of shinai that had been cut down to about 28". So, we went at it. I immediately parried his shinai with a "sweep block" (tip down arc), tapped the back of his shinai with my check hand once, and laddered in. I checked his hand and hit him. He complained that I had grabbed his blade (which wasn't technically true ... I had been on the back of the "blade"). Rather than argue this point, though, I picked up a second short shinai and used siniwalli method. I used my left to check his shinai and "cut" his jugular with the shinai. As I stepped back, he clocked me on the top of the head. I thought to myself, "OK. If he theoretically cut my hand, then I just killed him ... what's up with the hit at the end?" I didn't say anything, though. At this point, another friend of mine (also an FMA player) wanted to join the fun. While I was watching those two go at it, I realized that my Kendo friend was playing by Kendo rules. Consequently, the only places that he counted as "hits" were the top of the head, the back of the hand, and the ribs. His method was fine and the swordwork was good ... but he couldn't get away from the "sport" mentality. Let me tell you, it's hard to do well with Kendo rules when you're using short shinai against a full-length shinai. But, without the rules, I did fine. To the best of my (admittedly limited) knowledge, each of these methods has a distinct mindset/methodology. My advice would be to train in all 3, maybe 3 nights a week (one night in each discipline) for a couple of months (or until he gets a feel for the methodologies) and decide which he prefers. There is no "better" art ... but there will be one that's "better" *for him/her*. Regards, Mike ------------------------------ From: Jean-Yves Pernot Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 00:27:12 +0100 Subject: eskrima: buying knives in NY Hi all, I'll be in NY in a week for vacation. Does anyone know where I can buy knives in Manhattan? (knives are my favorite souvenirs :-)) Thanks, Jean-Yves Pernot ------------------------------ From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:51:38 EST Subject: eskrima: Juego Del Palo - Stick Fencing of the Canary Islands The following maybe of interest, an article on Juego Del Palo - Stick Fencing of the Canary Islands, Canary Islands Stick Fighting Definitely interesting to moi... Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 17:11:38 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #572 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.