From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #590 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 21 Dec 2000 Vol 07 : Num 590 In this issue: eskrima: Krav Maga ? [none] eskrima: Happy Solstice eskrima: Dit Da Jow eskrima: Cookin up some Jow eskrima: Happy Holidays! eskrima: Re: Path of Growth Re: eskrima: Re: Path of Growth eskrima: DBMAA Krabri Krabong Vid-lessons eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #589 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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We still work up a sweat training! Best wishes to everyone for the new year, Boyd ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:30:53 EST Subject: eskrima: Happy Solstice A warm, fulfilling and peaceful day and night for each of you this Winter Solstice. May the Sun burn brightly within your soul. Meghan Gardner Guard Up, Inc. of Waltham MA www.GuardUp.com "Always carry love in your heart and a knife in your pocket." me ------------------------------ From: Kendal Coats Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:49:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Dit Da Jow A couple of issues back someone asked about dit da jow. There are several forms of jow, there is bone jow, joint and ligament jows, bruise jow, ect. For FMA it is MHO that a good bruise and joint jow is a requirement. Of the commerically available jows, only 1 (Zeng Gu Shuei)(sp?)has been turely effective, and it is more of a bone jow than burise, but its also good for sore muscles. My teacher is a Doctor of TCM, an accupuncturist, and a Native American doctor. He makes a jow from a 500 year old formula given to him by one of his aisian teachers, this formula is then blended with several NAtive herbs, producing one of the most effective jows I have ever used. Several FMA heavies, including GM Ernesto Presas agree, and have reccomended it. We sell it in two forms, prepaired, and raw. The prepaired of course comes bottled and ready to use, the raw form comes as powedered herbs, and instuctions to make about 2 quarts, then you can bottle it and sell it to your students. I think the prepaired formula is around $10 or $15 a bottle(4oz), and either $30 or $40 for the raw herbs. If anyone is interested, you can email me at taomonkey@yahoo.com Happy Holidays Kendal PS. Merry Christmas from Oklahoma, where its sunny and 18 degrees F. We should have a partial eclipse of the Sun on Christmas day, that coupled with volcanic ash in the upper atmosphere from Mexico City, should make a very dark day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 8:54:42 PST Subject: eskrima: Cookin up some Jow FYI, there are some Jow recipes in the list archives. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 9:07:05 PST Subject: eskrima: Happy Holidays! It is that time of year again. Hoping this holiday season is good to you and yours. Please take a minute out of your busy day to reflect on the reason(s) for this joyous season. Thanks for helping to make this the best darn FMA list going. You kind folks make this effort so very worthwhile. Happy Holidays. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: jester@jdweb.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:54:59 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: Path of Growth EGJundis@aol.com wrote: > What will make a > difference are the experiences and growth that you are committed to creating > for yourself and students. When you know what you want to create then "what > is useful" becomes clear. An issue for anyone training alone or delving into > new areas is the "blind leading the blind' effect. A clear vision is like > having a night scope in the dark. When you know what you are training for, > then when you find something useful you can absorb it without the doubts: you > will know you have found a perfect fit. Do know what you are training for? This makes a lot of sense. One issue I'm dealing with is the difference in wishes of my students. I only have 10 or so, but due to various issues, only 4 or so show for a given class. A couple have experience in (semi?! yeah, right!) contact sport Jujitsu and wish to work toward a Dog Bros. style. I've attended a couple of those seminars, own the tapes, and wish to do that also. However, I also have a couple "less contact oriented" people (including my wife and a small framed female teenager) who like the "movement & art" aspects, preferring footwork & coordination drills, siniwali, etc. Since I like this as well, one problem is figuring out how to integrate it all smoothly. > The trick is clear vision without attachment. As you test what is useful, > your repertoire and realm of practice will expand and transform. At the same > time possibilities for experimentation (i.e. drills ad nausea) are endless; a > vision keeps you focused. You got THAT right. I'm going through a "collection" phase of the various siniwali, hubud, coordination, etc. drills, and having a problem figuring out what (and how much) to add to my own curriculum. Different styles have different drills that teach basically the same attributes, so it's tough to find the right mix without overloading. Particularly with more than one goal. Ideally, with private students, a curriculum would be tailored to their personal goals, but in a class... > Not every instructor will share their full knowledge with you even when > similar or the same knowledge is available in videos elsewhere. Another reason I split from my previous teacher. In addition to moving away from FMA, his philosophy changed from "show everything you know; make your student better than yourself" to "keep stuff in reserve so you stay ahead of your students". Maybe age does that; I dunno. But he's only 40-ish, while someone like Guro I. doesn't ever seem to hold back - the student is the limiting factor with him, and that's how I wish to be... >Another set of questions: > why are you practicing and why do you teach? This is another way to find your > vision. I teach because: 1) I wish to practice with others, and there is no school within my acceptable distance. 2) I was asked to by a few from the TKD school. It just grew from informal semi-privates to a class. So far, I give the fees ($30/month) to the school - it's still a small school, and I'm trying to help make it work. It's definitely a "continuing education" thing on my part, not an ego boost. > Training with a team or club though can provide accelerated > learning. Question: are you willing to learn more from your students than > they do from you? Are you willing to accept feedback from a student? Absolutely, and I've said as much to them. I'm self-effacing (to a fault, sez my wife). Hence the "club" flavor. One student has a black belt in Tang Soo Do, as well as years of wrestling, and is one of the aforementioned sport Jujitsu players (as well as being a very intelligent and aware guy in general). I rely on him for opinion of general teaching, applicability in real time, etc. He knows there is an "artsiness" for the other students, but has a pretty good innate sense of how much there should be. We'd learn well just trying stuff out on each other if schedules permitted - I'll have to work on that. Another thing - he just gave me (and the class) a Christmas present - two fencing masks. ...uh, I think that's a hint... ;-) > You say you go to seminars: you can get a lot more out > of them if you go with an intent (vision) and with questions that will > support your growth. Question: When you have instruction do you let yourself > be spoon-fed or do you ask questions? Depends on the seminar. In smaller ones, I've "stolen" the teacher for a good bit of time (sometimes to the chagrin of the other students, I think). But in a big one like Inosanto's, I mostly absorb just what he's getting across. I DO make sure I get at least THAT, by asking his assistants if necessary, but sometimes I don't go further with it or try to expand it much (particularly if I'm paired with a relative beginner who I need to help along a little). > I think a perfect example of this is the Dog Brothers. (good comments about Dog Bros. snipped) Yes; they're sort of my learning model, although they draw from a greater experience pool than I can. I have thought about their "long distance learning", and if my class shows much greater interest in full contact, I may go that route. They don't seem to keep the "artsiness" as much, where I intend to; as the only FMA within an hour's drive, I hope to involve more people in the future, and feel I should also offer that aspect to people uncomfortable with heavy contact. > At it's best, team learning can effectively > raise the skills and knowledge of any member faster than any member could > alone. For more info check out the book: The Fifth Discipline: the art of the > learning organization by Peter Senge. Thanks for the reference. I've often felt that a few people dedicated to "figuring it out on their own" could do well. Modern media & seminars just make it that much easier. > I trust the Dog Brothers will not mind me using their name and motto for > Illustration purposes. As always read with salt on hand. If you find > something useful keep it. Happy Holidays everyone. I hope the same for my own words; they're meant with only the best intent. I have indeed found some pearls. Thank you, and a safe holiday to you & yours. jester ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:59:21 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Path of Growth > You got THAT right. I'm going through a "collection" phase of the various > siniwali, .?. Is that similar to a single-wally? Do you use 'the swan move'? Sorry... Couldn't resist after that post from Rob. It had me rolling on the floor... ;) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:39:28 -0800 Subject: eskrima: DBMAA Krabri Krabong Vid-lessons ADVERTISEMENT: A Howl of Greeting to All: In the spirit of the season (I refer of course to money- joke) if you were a member of the Dog Brothers Martial Arts Association you could be getting your DBMAA Krabri Krabong Vid-lesson featuring Ajarn Arlan "Salty Dog" Sanford. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:36:32 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #589 <<< Could someone in the know please repost the info and or any good training drills to go with it. >>> I use a staff that is about 6 foot long and 1 1/2 inches thick. It is also slightly crooked. You simply take a rope, tie it to the middle of the staff so that it hangs evenly and then hang the staff off of a tree limb. The tree limb has to be up high enough so that the staff does not hit the limb while it's in motion. Then there are all sorts of variations that you can use. You can use a tire either placed above or below the staff or you can run the staff through the middle of the tire. You can attach smaller sticks to the staff. You can place a smaller stick either above or below the staff. You can also hang two smaller sticks on either end of the staff. You can use a piece of bungi cord tied between the rope and the staff. This gives the staff an even more unpredictable range of motion. The staff's motion and speed will also be determined by the thickness of the rope. I've also used a couple of machetes attached to each end of the staff. I wouldn't recommend starting right out with the machetes. Also if you use blades on the staff try to get a piece of aluminum pipe as the machetes tear up rattan and hardwood sticks pretty quickly. If you are having problems with the placement of your live hand there is also another variation that I'll relate in a story. One day I showed up for class early as was my usual habit. I usually got there early in order to sweep off the back porch. When I got to Mike's house he was in the back yard already doing something to the decuerdas staff. I really didn't pay much attention at the time I just went about my business of sweeping. Well, I heard him muttering and curiosity finally got the best of me. I walked over and asked him what he was doing. He simply gave me a grin and moved aside so that I could see the decuerdas staff. He commented that he was tired of some of the students having sloppy live hands and that the new decuerdas staff should correct that problem real quick. He had wrapped some barb wire and attached some roofing nails to the staff. The only place that was left bare was a small area where the opponents hand would be. Of course as with all new training implements he wanted to try it before the rest of the students got there and so we proceeded to play with it for the next ten or fifteen minutes. I must say that this really helped those with sloppy live hands correct their deficiency. I wouldn't recommend that this be the first variation that you try out. When you begin to play with the decuerdas staff you will begin to notice a few things. One the decuerdas staff is unforgiving. It won't stop it's motion when you screw up. When I am working out alone with the decuerdas staff I try to stay in the middle as opposed to moving to the outside of the staff. If there are a few of you, you can try a few variations. One is simply to have the students form a circle around the outside ring and you can vary this by having them either remain in position or move in a clockwise or counter clockwise direction. Another variation is to place yourself or a student in the middle and then have the rest of the students form up a circle on the outside. No matter what variation you use I cannot recommend the decuerdas staff enough, either as a solo training aid or a group training aid. Of course you can use all varieties of weapons and empty hands also. Take care, Rob. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:18:15 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #590 **************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.