From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #3 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 3 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 003 In this issue: eskrima: Re: BJJ Videos eskrima: Re: Conditioning eskrima: Maybe not eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #2 eskrima: Re: Strength Conditioning? eskrima: Re: Strength conditioning eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NYCAinfo@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:12:32 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: BJJ Videos Besides the other good overall recommendations I would add: For tournament specific techniques: Mario Sperry- Tournament Techniques which is a really good sport bjj tape and directly addresses your question. Mario Sperry-Master Series-there are two sets master series 1 and 2. Start with 1. www.groundfighter.com ROSS-Scott Sonnon-Biomechanics of Throwing/Takedowns trilogy vols 1-3 1. Hyper function 2. Quantum Gripping 3. Joint Mass Center-- www.amerross.com For getting into condition: Grappler's Toolbox vol 1 is enough good to get you going but there are two more than go into joint articulation(2) and ground engagment(3). A series of exercises and drills that will enhance your flexibility, strength and general health. www.amerross.com and/or Combat Conditioning-Matt Furey-natural bodyweight exercises and routines centered around the royal court which focuses on hindu squats, hindu push ups and back bridges. www.combatwrestling.com and/or Power Yoga for beginners(stamina) or a power yoga tape www.gaiam.com or any other outlet and/or Ginastica Naturale-a brazilian combination of yoga and animal movements www.ginasticatapes@webtv.net or 614 231 7762 Any combination of the above should get you ready. Vincent Giordano ------------------------------ From: "Jesse Greenawalt" Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:47:24 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Conditioning > From: Raphael Chiu Looking back on other things I've done, strength training was always at > the bottom of the list. I would hit more balls, run more sprints, run > longer distances, ride more trails, paddle more rivers, or climb more > rocks and have results comparable to people that would also do strength > conditioning. Specificity in training helps a lot. If you want to hit harder, practicing hitting will get you further than lifting. On the other hand, lifting, being general, will do better for your rowing ability than bag work will. > I had a wing chun sifu that argued against weight conditioning as a direct > detractor of speed, acceleration and force. I disagree. If done as part of a balanced regimen, lifting shouldn't do this. Sprinters lift. > We did "springing pushups," > similar to military triangle pushups, to develop wing chun snappiness. In > Shaolin KF we did exercises similar to those in Matt Furey's "Combat > Conditioning" book. In both cases we didn't use weights but there was a > level of strength conditioning. The pushups are a form of Plyometrics, and they do help "snappiness". Many athletes do bounding & box work to do the same for their legs. > Nowadays, my job keeps my FMA training time to one class a week, leaving > me training alone in the late hours for most nights of the week. I've > been playing around with additional running and strength conditioning. When you run, do occasional wind sprints. That'll keep you from developing a "plodding rhythm". I love to just jog along, and it makes me plod a bit. Sprints also develop a different level of cardio & aerobic recovery, since the body's energy mechanisms differ between a moderate sustained pace and a short, hard one. > But if I'm using conditioning as a supplement, shouldn't I be doing more > focus mitts, heavy bags, and hitting tires than the conditioning > equivalent of push-ups, bench presses, tricep pull-downs, butterflies, > etc. Sure, if that's your only goal in life. But there are muscles that aren't used that much in your arts that you may need. Plus, the body should be kept balanced. Asymmetrical training can cause problems - do a search in the archives, as Crafty had a couple great posts on this a while ago (a year, maybe). > I hope this doesn't seem too trivial a question, since we are all > genetically different and require different things. Anybody have any > thoughts or advice? You'll get lots. My voice is but one... jester ------------------------------ From: rudolf@kimbel.net Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 04:47:58 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Maybe not Crafty woofed: >I would put it like this: As a practical matter, in some/many >jurisdictions the cane carry may not PROactively be illegal, but >RETROactively after its use as a weapon become so. For example: 1) a >problem arises and you use a cane you found in the environment as a weapon. >The "can of worms arises". 2) The same as one, except that lacking a >medical reason the cane you use on the problem you brought with you. All >the same issues apply PLUS those that arise from CARRYING a weapon apply >(not to metion the practical matters of what a jury might infer). In other >words, the fullnes of time reveals that what you were doing by carrying the >cane was illegal. It is what events reveal your INTENT to have been that >provide the legal problem. If you had to defend yourself, let somebody do a nice smack to your leg with a stick. See the doctor next day and have him treat it. Keep the doctor's bill as proof of your need for the cane.If the cops didn't undress you and take pictures, they won't prove the opposite. Rudolf. ------------------------------ From: Justo370@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:43:00 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #2 In a message dated 1/2/01 9:26:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Raphael Chiu Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:44:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: strength conditioning? >> Personally, I believe that your exercise regimen should include workouts that augment or enhance your abilities as a martial artist. That means, if running sprints increases your overall speed; "springing push-ups" develops your punching power; and squats improve your kicking power, then you should practice these exercises and include them in your routine. In any event, only you as a martial artist know (or should know) what your individual weaknesses are. Therefore, train your body (along with your mind and spirit) to become a complete and effective martial artist. Isn't that our common goal anyway? Train hard. ------------------------------ From: "Buz Grover" Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 00:46:58 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Strength Conditioning? >How important is strength conditioning in your training regimen? After reading a review of the book posted here a month or two back, I ordered "The Science of Martial Arts Training" by Charles Staley from Amazon. Though I've yet to absorb it all--there is a lot to the book--I've no problem highly recommending it as an authoritative, well researched, and well documented source of strength conditioning information. In regard to the question at hand, two points Staley makes strike me as germane. First, he states that athletes cannot be in peak shape all the time and attempts to stay at a constant peak are in fact counterproductive. As such he recommends a cyclic training program tailored to specific needs. In a nutshell, he suggest setting up a training program with the following four components: a foundational period where general exercises, aerobic capacity, and weaknesses are focused on; a martial art skill specific period where skill specific exercises and anaerobic training are focused on; a maintenance period where conditioning is preserved while injury is avoided (just prior to a competition, for instance); and then a rest period before the cycle is started again. The entire cycle would last about six to nine months and could include several peaks, depending on specific needs. Second, Staley addresses the issue of strength conditioning detracting from martial art ability. Basically, the concern is that martial artists want a given movement to accelerate until it comes in to contact with a target while, when weight lifting, doing the same would cause joints and connective tissue to go snap, crackle, pop. During the foundational portion of a training cycle, Staley suggests incorporating standard weight lifting exercises into training. During the skill specific phase he still includes standard exercises, but also recommends ballistic and plyometric training techniques such as kneeling with a medicine ball held close to the chest and then extending both arms quickly to launch the medicine ball. Call it a double open hand jab performed from a square, kneeling stance with a medicine ball that's released before full extension. Staley makes it clear, however, that standard and skill specific exercises should both be incorporated into any training program. Hope this helps answer your question. Regards, Buz Grover ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:18:23 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Strength conditioning In a message dated 1/2/01 6:27:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << How important is strength conditioning in your training regimen? >> I have been a weight trainer for over 20 years, but not on a consistent basis. In my late 20's, I was a contest-level bodybuilder, but moved away from the gym for various reasons (marriage, kids, etc.). Lately, though, I make it a priority, since I have developed osteoarthritis, and find weight training allows me to continue practicing as a martial artist. I train 4 days a week, one or two body parts at a time, training each body part once per week. I use moderate weight, and think of training the muscle as opposed to moving a heavy weight. I have noticed a tremendous difference in pain levels, especially in my knees (I am able to tolerate more the better shape I am in). I also have not lost a thing in relation to speed. Remember, the muscles move the bones, and the better shape the muscle is in, the better, and faster, the body functions. Kim Satterfield PS...Say hi to Nate for me...he probably won't remember me, but I know him from the old days at Degerberg's. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 6:02:59 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #3 ************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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