From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #22 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 12 Jan 2001 Vol 08 : Num 022 In this issue: eskrima: Master certifications eskrima: FMA in AZ? eskrima: background checks ? eskrima: Inayan Eskrima seminars in Wisconsin eskrima: FMA mag eskrima: review, RKD video tape eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1200 members strong! Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource An open FMA discussion forum provided in memory of Mangisursuro Mike Inay, Founder of the Inayan System of Eskrima. Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a "plain text" e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima-Digest at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:36:31 PST Subject: eskrima: Master certifications > Wasn't there a question as to whether Master Wiley's martial arts > credentials were legitimate? It had to do with whether his certificate from > the Serrada school was earned with the same amount of years of training that > others with the same certificate had completed. I understand from some folks that some misinformation has recently been floated online about the Masters credentials that Mark Wiley and some others obtained. So please allow me to try to open this can of worms VERY carefully... As has been previously stated here and other places, the Cabales Serrada Escrima Basic, Advanced, and Masters diplomas were designed by Mike Inay as well as him working with his contemporaries on the training requirements for the various levels. The (then newly) defined requirements for Advanced and Masters were very reasonable, especially in the eyes of the first generation of Serrada students, given their already ~10 years of training under Angel. Angel was in great need of $$, he was ill. He realized that one way to increase his cash flow was to reduce the training requirements for these diplomas, especially the Masters diploma. The reqs were reduced to such a low level that several (many?) of his long time students felt that the requirements were so watered down that it made the title of Serrada Master next to worthless. This along with the fact that Angel would take the $$ up front, give the student the diploma, and -then- train them made matters even worse. As one member of Angel's immediate family told me, "...he [Angel] was just too trusting. He thought these people would return to complete their training, many did not." So... there you have it. This is how someone with only some background in boxing and Taekwondo could fairly quickly become of Master of Serrada at the ripe old age of 20. Or how one Serrada "Master" I used to train with could train in Serrada one day a week for 3 whole years to become a Master (prior to this he had no prior MA experience). Thus there are some with VERY minimal Serrada experience holding a Masters diploma. There are also some very deserving people that put in the time that hold a Masters diploma. As well as some true Masters of Serrada that refused the diploma, given all the above. With that said, do I think Angel did wrong? Well,,, it doesn't MATTER what I think. What really matters IMHO is that it was Angel's art and he could do with it whatever he wanted. However you can hopefully now see how many may question how good someone's Serrada really is even tho they may have a Masters diploma. And I think you can also see how those that had been training with Angel since the 1960s were concerned over what was happening, and decided to go and grow their own way. Now back to Mark Wiley. I have heard from some that have trained with him in recent years that his Serrada is rather good. I have also heard from the current Grandmaster of CSE, GM Vincent, that Mark was one of the those that had not completed his training by the time Angel died -but- that he had the 'stones' to return to Stockton, CA to complete his training (the hours requirement) with GM Vincent. IMHO we should respect him for that. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:09:32 -0500 Subject: eskrima: FMA in AZ? I received the following inquiry. I don't know of any schools in Arizona. Can anyone on the list help? Thanks, Tuhon Bill McGrath "Good Day, Sir. I tentitively intend to move to the Pearce/Sunsites or Benson area of Arizona and I am doing preliminary research looking for places to train that offer Filipino martial arts. Naturally, I found your e-mail address at your website, and wonder if you have information about credible training opportunities that would be in close proximity to where I intend to go. Any assistance would certainly be welcome. Thank you very kindly, Jason T. Rice" grasshoppernot1@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com/index.html ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:33:13 PST Subject: eskrima: background checks ? Curious... Any of you instructors out there (or your teachers for the students) that do background checks on a potential student prior to beginning instruction? Pros? Cons? with that experience. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:36:39 PST Subject: eskrima: Inayan Eskrima seminars in Wisconsin Forwarding. Ray - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Suro Jason Inay, of the Inayan System of Eskrima, will be conducting two seminars in Wisconsin: Wednesday, January 31 (7:00 - 9:00 PM) Oneida Family Fitness Center 2640 West Point Road Green Bay, WI Contact - Kevin Schoenbeck 1-800-238-4263 ext 3730 Thursday, February 1 (6:30 - 8:30 PM) Elite Self Defense Centers 820 Water St Sauk City, WI Contact - Tom Lopez (608) 846-4895 or (608) 643-3048 ------------------------------ From: "Kyud" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 17:32:57 -0800 Subject: eskrima: FMA mag Greetings to all: The Filipino Martial Arts magazine website has had a facelift. Problem which anyone can help. If you have a drill or technique which you would like to get on the appropriate pages or want to list your school in the directory just let the owner know at EShea76448@aol.com . Come by and visit. http://www.filipinomag.com/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:07:45 PST Subject: eskrima: review, RKD video tape Just a quick review of the last of the video tapes presented by and featuring the late Mangisursuro Mike Inay and produced by Dieter Knuttel's Abanico Video Productions in Germany (http://www.abanico.de). The Reactive Knife Defense (RKD) videotape is 55 mins long. In it Mike Inay covers the all the basic elements that were taught in the 2-day RKD seminars with Suro Inay. The RKD program was originally developed for law enforcement officers. These techniques have been taught to and used by police agencies throughout the US and have proven to be very effective for edged weapon defense. The program is designed to give the participant in-depth hands-on experience with the principles and concepts of dealing with edged weapons and the problems they present. It covers different drills and exercises designed to develop spontaneity in reacting to an unexpected attack. Note, this is NOT a knife fighting video. It is a video that addresses the most likely knife encounter, one in which you are unarmed and you are suddenly and unexpectedly attacked by someone with an edged weapon. This program builds upon one's normal reactions. It is not a system that requires long years of study to master. It is basic, yet effective. It starts with the first rule of a knife encounter... You WILL get cut! Your job is to survive the encounter. The video begins by introducing the ways a knife might be gripped, the types of wounds that they inflict, basic stances that might be used, etc. The concept of the 'reactionary gap' is presented. Action is faster than reaction and the distance needed to react properly is termed the reactionary gap. We recommend a -minimum- of 10 ft. plus the weapon length for those with minimal martial arts training. But it also shows through a live demonstration of the Tueller Drill just how quickly (~2 seconds) an attacker can cover 21 ft. and reach you with a contact/edged weapon. The implication is that a LEO with an holstered sidearm will need a minimum of 21 ft. to give them the minimum time to respond properly to an sudden attack. The angles of attack are taught (6 for RKD) and then the proper way to reactively block an attack is shown. The basic concept is closest hand, palm down block, then cover & clear to a transition point. A wide variety of instructional drills are clearly described and shown so that one can easily practice these techniques (with some training partners). After only a few hours one can fairly easily learn this material. It really is that simple to learn. Straight forward and basic. Yet it shows how to easily develop your normal reactions so that you will hopefully survive a surprise knife attack. Obtain this video by contacting Jason Inay at jdinay@hotmail.com or Dieter Knuttel at dk@abanico.de. Respectfully submitted, Ray Terry Suro, we miss you... ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:12:09 PST Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V8 #22 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2001: Ray Terry and the Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.